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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

The Purpose Code | Jordan Grumet

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Business, Investing

4.85.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Most people obsessed with finding their "life's purpose" are looking in the wrong place. Jordan Grumet, hospice doctor and author of The Purpose Code, spent years at patients' bedsides learning what actually matters at the end of life — and it's not the big, audacious goals we're told to chase. Brad sits down with Jordan to unpack the difference between "big P purpose" (the goal-oriented, achievement-driven mindset that often leads to burnout) and "little p purpose" (the small, everyday activities that genuinely light you up). Jordan shares how to identify your personal "purpose anchors" by mining childhood joys and reframing regrets, then building a life around those insights through clarity, agency, and incremental change. Understanding Little P Purpose vs. Big P Purpose (00:01:43) Big P purpose is goal-oriented and often feels like a scarcity mindset, whereas little p purpose is about engaging in activities that bring joy without the pressure of specific goals. The Role of Meaning in Happiness (00:03:28) Happiness is derived from both meaning (derived from the past) and purpose (driving present actions). Identifying Purpose Anchors (00:17:02) Jordan explains the importance of purpose anchors, small activities that light you up, and provides strategies to identify them. Practical Strategies for Creating Purpose (00:16:37) Steps to create a meaningful life around little p purpose, emphasizing actionable changes. Key Insights: Little p purpose focuses on enjoyment and engagement rather than large achievements Every step counts. "Little p purpose can create big impacts." (00:36:26) Purpose is not found; it's created (00:16:37) Focus on engagement in joyous activities rather than waiting for purpose to reveal itself. Use regrets as insights (00:18:06) Reflect on what truly matters to you through narrative therapy techniques that reframe past experiences. Schedule time for joy (00:30:20) Actively create a schedule filled with purpose-driven actions to enhance fulfillment. Connection follows engagement (00:38:01) Pursuing activities that light you up leads to meaningful connections with others. Action Items: Reflect on activities that spark joy or interest and incorporate them into your routine (00:17:32) Utilize narrative therapy techniques to change your perspective on past experiences (00:18:30) Create a weekly list of activities that bring you happiness and prioritize them in your life (00:36:06) Notable Quotes: "You create your purpose, don't just find it." (00:16:37) "Little p purpose can create big impacts." (00:36:26) "To have a good death, live a good life." (00:35:17) "Choose to be in a good mood; it shapes your life." (00:06:00) Related Resources: The Purpose Code: How to Unlock Meaning, Maximize Happiness, and Leave a Lasting Legacy by Jordan Grumet

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Chusify. Today in the show, we have my good friend, Jordan Grummet. He is the podcast host of the Earn and Invest podcast, and he is coming out with a new book, actually tomorrow. So from the day this launches, it's coming out tomorrow, January 7th, 2025, called the purpose code, how to unlock meaning, maximize happiness, and leave a lasting legacy. And this is a truly extraordinary

0:23.4

book. And it is so important and it is so timely. And I'm just excited to bring this conversation

0:30.2

to you because I think this is what is so needed in our community. And I try really hard here

0:36.7

at Chusify to make this not just about the numbers,

0:39.6

to make it honestly only a tiny bit about the numbers of Phi, but about living a better life.

0:45.2

And Jordan has come up with a framework and a set of action steps to help you identify your purpose,

0:51.0

as he calls it, the little P purpose, not this big, audacious, big P, I'm going to

0:55.8

change the world, but how do I live a better life through meaning and purpose? And I think this book

1:01.8

nails it. I think you're really going to enjoy this. With that, welcome to choose FI.

1:15.8

Jordan, it is always good to see you. Thanks for being here.

1:18.7

I'm so happy to be back and to be chatting with you, Brad.

1:25.2

Yeah, this should be fun. So, okay, this episode is going live on January 6th, 2025,

1:31.2

and the book comes out tomorrow. So it must be a sigh of relief at this point. I can't even imagine how long this process has been. It is a long process, but I'll tell you, along with that

1:37.3

sigh of relief is excitement, because now I get to put this thing out into the world. And as you

1:43.4

know, when you put something out in the world,

1:44.8

it's yours until the day you release it,

1:46.5

and then it becomes everyone else's.

1:48.2

Yeah.

1:48.7

And I know how important this is to you, right?

1:51.0

So it literally is, we're talking about the purpose code, right?

1:55.3

And let's just start there.

1:57.1

So for me, the fundamental understanding in this book for the audience now is the

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