you're listening to the michael shirmer show so what's your story how do you go from helping people

in their marriages and their sex lives to figure out serial killers?

Well, it's a great question. Well, first of all, thank you for having me out on this show. I've been really excited to meet you and really excited to get into it because I've watched several of your podcasts and I read a lot of what you've written at this point. And I just am pretty impressed, and I thought initially that we might not be before I learned about you and learned about your thoughts about things and how open and skeptical you can be, but I actually think we might be on the same page about a lot of issues that we're going to get into. So I'm excited about this, but we'll see. I could be totally wrong. Um, but okay, how did I get into this?

Well, uh, you know, I always say it started when I was five, but in my opinion, it like, like,

like all the people were about to talk about, it starts well before age five, uh, believe it or not, which is what I talk about in my show, all human beings, um, most important ages in anyone's life happened between zero and three,

which we'll get to. But for me, yeah, I witnessed the death of a young girl who got hit and

killed by a car. And she, I just come off the set of Guy Madden's, so I've been working, so as I was a five-year-old, it was Guy Madden, he's kind of like

the David Lynch of Canada, so I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's got a lot of strange

films, and it was his very first day ever shooting a film called Dead Father.

And what's amazing about even the title is, I think, what we're going to get into more about what father

figures in the systems and the greater systems ultimately represent and what some of these

people are actually having a response to, meaning killers, and then also society's response

to the killers, like who's the real victim? Who's the real perpetrator?

It all comes down to Freud. But anyway, so this movie is called Dead Father. And Dead Father,

it was strange, but there was a character that the whole day was playing dead. And then as a

five-year-old, I just, you know, had to learn, okay, this is pretend dead. But then I came out of the

set, and I witnessed this girl get hit and killed right in front of it. You got to think

about big a five-year-old. It was right in my eye shot. And it was something about the merging of

these two words of false death and real death that kind of merged into my psyche and after that I became utterly

fascinated by death and anything in the world that could cause death. I started drawing pictures.

I wrote stories about war and murder. I really got obsessed with war and murder and the pictures

that I drew, I would get calls from, I'd send you some if you want to post,

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