Hey, Deserving listeners, this is the next chapter in our deep dive on the Columbine shooting and the psychological concepts that we can talk about as a jumping off point based on the large amount of data we have on the two shooters and people around them.

And we're also going to talk about societal reactions

and the psychology of the crowd upon watching this, what is done to society and da-da-da-da. So let's get into it. My name is Dr. Kirkana. I'm a therapist and a professor. And this is the Psychology in Seattle podcast. Who are you, Berdo? My name is Umberto Castaneda, and I am a pink algae farmer. So take it away.

Okay.

So last we left off, we had covered Dylan, the other shooter, and we talked up, we actually went through his journal, and a lot of differences we compared and contrasted between

Eric's journal and Dylan's journal and saw how like Eric was a lot more I just want to kill

everything and Dylan was a lot more like I just want to die you know that was the big summary of the thing

today I wanted to start with a couple of things first off after the shooting as you can imagine

there was a lot of questions, as always, in these kinds of situations.

And all this information we went over, it's not like that was instantly available to everyone on web pages and everyone consumed and now everyone knows everything that we know.

In fact, there was almost nothing now.

But after a day, basically the parents of the shooters became identified, became known, at least

to the families that knew who they would have been, and to the media.

And if you can imagine, your child, your child, now maybe an maybe an adult but was just a child has just

committed one of the worst atrocities ever right well you said that funny so you're saying

they might be an adult because they just turn 18 yeah they're 18 but to you they're still

your child well they're always their child yeah I guess so yeah I mean it's... You're not going to call your daughter's non-children when they turn 18. Yeah, I guess I just think it was like, that's my daughter. Well, there's a child and there's your child. So their child. Anyway, I just wanted to, for the listener, if they're like, wait, so they were adult? Anyway, so children, so yeah.

But they were no longer.

You imagine the next day, if you were one of the grieving parents, the bereaved parents,

you might wonder who the fuck raise these kids.

Exactly.

And the parents themselves, now it all depends what kind of parent you are that if your kid

...