All right, Berdo, this is part two in our very lengthy and tangent-filled discussion about the

new Black Mirror episode, Joan is Awful. So let's get back to it. What do you say?

Let's do it.

This is the Psychology and Seattle podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Krakana. I'm a therapist and a professor.

My name is Berdo Kastagnan. I mean, you know what I do. So that's true.

All right, let's get back into it. When you watched Joan is Awful, because I feel like with Black Mirror,

it produces some kind of a feeling, like anxiety or concern about the future or

self-reflection. You know, it's designed to do that. It's the Black Mirror. It's supposed to

make you look at your life or your society. So when you were watching it or when it concluded,

how did it make you feel on the inside?

Okay, let me think. When it ended, I felt some amount of fear. And the amount of fear I felt

was related to that. How not so far from possibilities this could be. Well, in fact,

I was just lamenting this to our friend Mitch. I was telling him how there's so many videos now

of celebrities, fake, fake videos of celebrities. Like, have you seen all the ones that Arnold

in all the old movies? Like they put Arnold in old movies. Yeah, but I've seen that sort of stuff.

Of course, this is not with his permission. He gets no money from this, whatever.

And now, is Arnold someone who needs a lot of help in life? No, of course not. But that's not the

point. I feel like, but where's the authority over one's body image, voice, all these things?

So I see this and I'm like, oh god, oh god, oh god. And just like the horror of imagine if in reality,

someone could just serve your life and your stories and all your things, put them out there for

everyone to look at, laugh, cough, whatever. And you have no say over it. That was horrifying.

Yeah, I mean, that's already happening, right? Yeah. And I guess another thought that I had was,

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