Hey everybody, Michael Still here. I'm so glad you could tune in for this episode of the Michael Still podcast because it's a little bit different, particularly given who our guest is this time out.

Mary Trump is joining us. She is a clinical psychologist holding a PhD from the Derner Institute of Advanced Psychological Studies at Adelphi University.

She has taught graduate courses in trauma and developmental psychology. She is also the host of the podcast, the Mary Trump show and author of the International Number One bestseller too much and never enough.

How my family created the world's most dangerous man.

And we don't talk a lot about that dangerous man on this episode of the podcast. I really wanted to tap into her expertise to understand the psychology behind the crazy that we are experiencing right now in our country.

So buckle up, grab a couch, probably a stiff drink. You're going to need it. Is Mary Trump joins us here on the Michael Still podcast right after this.

Everybody, welcome to the Michael Still podcast. Yes, I'm stoked. I'm stoked. I'm really excited about this conversation. I was saying to Mary a little bit before we came on that when I heard she was she'd agreed to come on. I was like, yes.

Great, great land. I love it. I love it. Mary, Mary, Mary, all so good to have you with us, Mary, Ron. Thank you so much for being on the Michael Still podcast.

Oh, Michael, it's absolutely my pleasure. And as I said you earlier, I feel like I've known you forever. So it's bizarre to me that we haven't actually met in before.

Yeah, I mean, really, it really is. And I think probably COVID interrupt us kind of probably forced all the lot of that. But we it's a real treat to get you on right now. One of the things I really want to get into conversation with you. And I'll be very straight up with you and and the listeners here.

I'm not I don't want to get into the whole, oh, what's Donald Trump? I don't want to do that. Thank you. I really, because I've watched you handle that with a level of grace that at a certain point now to say really.

Is that the only question you can ask me about this man? I want to broaden, I want to broaden our conversation out a little bit further, because I think it's important. And and a little bit smart to tap into your background, your actual work. I mean, folks don't appreciate.

You are a PhD in in advanced psychological studies. You are someone who has dealt with trauma, psychological issues that that human beings confront and deal with every day in their lives developmental psychology. So I think it's I think

good conversation for us is to talk about what the hell is wrong with people. What is it? Is it is it? Is it something we're smoking or drinking or is it environmental? What the hell is our problem that we just

have? How much time do you have? I got a couch. Let me hit me. Let me lie down. Actually, we need to put a miracle on the couch. What we need to do because it just, you know, I just really, and I want to start there from from your observation. And you have a certain advantage point, obviously, because you know, it's been the cause for a lot of the angst.

Yeah. What what is, can you kind of chart that line over time? It was just something that that you saw earlier your professional career before before Donald Trump got on the scene because I think there were some elements there potentially walk us through or at least beginning to set the stage of this conversation around what you've seen happening with the psychotic within the psychology of America.

Before you're before Donald Trump showed up. Yeah, you know, it's it's a really really good angle. It would to commit this because this isn't something that just happened. Right. You know, you know, this as well as anybody, Donald didn't change the party. He revealed something about it.

That were various reasons it was expeditious to keep under wraps. I'm sorry. And he also gave people permission.

Those who who wanted it and were willing to take advantage of it to be there were cells, which is why so many people got pushed out of the party.

And so many other people like the new leaders of the party, Marjorie Telegram and Matt gets decided that it was their time.

And they weren't wrong about this. So just as with Donald, it there is history here.

I think this is this might sound reductive, but I think it's absolutely true that the problem that have led us to this existential crisis we're facing is that America has never faced.

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