Hello, everybody. I am Nick Houselman, the co-host of the Muckraig political podcast, and Jerry Yates Exxman is out again today. But I am pleased to bring in the show to discuss psychological aspects of the political race with Nick Carmody, who is a psychotherapist and a lawyer and has also been on the show before with a terrific interview we had back in 2021.

And Nick, I'm so glad to have you back on the show. I appreciate you having me out again, Nick. That's great. Well, us, Nick's need to stick together. There's not too many of us. Right. So, in any way, I thought, let's just dive right in here because, again, it's funny having dealt with this since 2015 when the guy came down the gold, you know,

elevator, escalator, you know, we've been wrapping your heads around how is it possible that people

could be drawn to this kind of person? Why isn't it obvious that he is who he is? We've had a lot of

time, a lot of data to kind of examine this, figure this out.

So I'm kind of wondering, I think that I think the dopamine rush of sort of following this guy

and dunking on liberals was a thing that we talked a bit about last time. And I'm wondering

if there's been a transformation since then in terms of how he's continued to

maintain this focus on him and his methods.

Yeah, that's an interesting question.

We talked about Don Lemon appearance right before the show.

And that was one of the things that I was hoping to get into that conversation, but there

was five of us and I kind of jumped around.

And we were talking immediately after the RNC convention.

And one of the things I've been observing is that, and, you know, the left and Democrats and

liberals, you know, you could hear that in some of the guests that were on that show with

Don Lemon.

It was just everybody's exhausted, everybody's frustrated.

Nobody really wants to kind of observe the political situation or Maga or Republicans or even Trump through any

nuance or even evolution, right? It's just kind of like, we know, hey, we've been seeing this

shit for 10 years. We know who he is. We know who they are. And it's just kind of fixed in our

mind. But one of the things that I sort sort of alluded to in that after RNC, when we were talking about Kid Rock and we were

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