I think those analogies are wonderful of Europeans coming to the new world and it did not turn out well for the indigenous people which is something Stephen Hawking knows.

It's also important to note that the indigenous people did not send out an invitation. Columbus simply went.

And so it's not because of anything that the native inhabitants of the Americas did or didn't do.

It was explorers who wanted resources came and they took those resources and

sometimes intentionally, sometimes inadvertently it turned out very poorly for the people who had

been here before. But I think it's easy to use that analogy and I think the

challenges when people apply it to Mettie they often think oh oh so you're sending a, so now that's somehow going to alert the aliens that were here.

And so we should keep quiet.

If you don't know what kind of animals lurk out in the forest, you need to be quiet.

And especially when we have so many

crisis so many things outside of our control in the world today it would be nice to

say here is one existential threat that we have some control over but I want a

level with you we can't be quiet. It's too late. We've already blown our

cover. Those radio and TV signals that we've sent, as I mentioned, if there's a duplicate, if there's an Earth 2.0 out there, they have the same level of technology we have,

then we could let them know for the first time that we're here by sending an intentional signal.

But any civilization a couple of hundred years more advanced than we are

already knows we're here.

What they don't know is that we want to make contact.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

My guest today is Douglas Wecock.

Douglas is the president of Mity, a non-profit research organization dedicated to

transmitting intentional signals to nearby stars. He was previously at the City

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