From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat, and this is interesting times.

Sometimes it feels like the left and right are having similar arguments about the economy these days.

We have liberals, like my colleague Ezra Klein, talking about how burdensome regulation stands in the way of growth and sounding a little bit

like Ronald Reagan. But then we also have right-wing populists like Steve Bannon and sometimes

Donald Trump criticizing globalization in ways that can sound a little bit like Bernie Sanders.

And I think you can see this convergence between a

populist right and left play out especially in debates about the power of big corporations,

where people on both sides find reasons to blame Silicon Valley or Wall Street for some of

America's discontents. My guest today has been part of that convergence.

As head of Joe Biden's Federal Trade Commission,

Lena Kahn's efforts to break up corporate monopolies

earned her praise from figures like Bannon

and then Senator, now Vice President J.D. Vance.

So we're going to talk with her about whether this

interesting right-left overlap is likely to endure, and also whether her anti-monopoly diagnosis

actually addresses America's deepest problems. So Lena Khan, welcome to interesting times.

Thanks so much for having me.

So we're sitting here.

We are inside the headquarters of one of the biggest newspapers in the world.

We're conducting an interview that has been enabled by iPhones and MacBooks,

products made by one of the biggest technology companies in the world.

After we leave this interview, I am going to get on a train and order for my family a succession of large items on Amazon.com,

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