Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I'm the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs Magazine.

Today I am joined by Benjamin Howard. Benjamin Howard is a reader of current affairs and computer science student who wrote to us because he is working on a critique of a character that our

listeners and readers may be familiar with. That is Dr. Jordan Peterson, formerly of the University

of Toronto, now of Twitter mostly. Benjamin Howard's critique will be found at Jordan Peterson

is wrong.com. When you go there now, you can sign up for the Jordan Peterson's wrong mailing list

so that when the piece of writing that Benjamin is working on drops you will be the first to know. Benjamin Howard,

thank you for joining us on current affairs today. Thanks for having me. So the reason I was so

interested in what you are writing and you've sent me a big chunk of it and it's really, really good,

but I think that what makes it so interesting is you have a pretty unique perspective because

you are someone who was a big Jordan Peterson fan at one point, but has changed your mind

over time.

And the piece that your writing sort of helps to explain,

you know, what you came to believe that this man is wrong about. But first, for any listeners

who don't know or don't remember or have forgotten who Dr. Jordan Peterson is and why he is significant matters. I was hoping that maybe

we could start with if someone said they hadn't heard of this man, and you told them you were

working on Jordan Peterson is wrong.com. What would you tell them about who he is? How would you

introduce him? Well, yeah, it would obviously depend on who's asking and how much they know about these things.

I go to get feedback for my writing, and some of the people there have never heard of Peterson

before, so I really have to explain it from step one.

So he was a professor, as you said, at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist.

If people are familiar with, like, Joseph Campbell, the power of myth, Peterson has this kind of mythological interest and applies

that to Christianity, I guess. And my impression is that he's a Christian. I don't know if he's

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