There's so much inequality in cities and also between cities.

So the United States is a metropolitan urbanized nation.

Metro economies are driven by cities that they're poor and you'd think that they're far

old.

We must value cities and assist them and help them, but we don't.

You're making this very common since argument, which is, look, all the action is in these

places.

We should support them.

It's just dumb not to.

You know, as a city boy, I resent them.

From the home offices of civic ventures in downtown Seattle, this is pitchfork economics,

with Nick Hanauer, the best place to get the truth about who gets what and why.

I'm Nick Hanauer, founder of Civic Ventures.

I'm David Goldstein, senior fellow at Civic Ventures.

Well, Goldie, today we're talking to Rick McGahey, who's an economist in senior fellow

with the short center for economic policy analysis and the institute on race power and political

economy at the new school about his new book, Unequal Cities, which is kind of an exploration

of why there's so much inequality in cities and also between cities.

And I'm really looking forward to this conversation because you and I have spent a lot of time exploring

the consequences of inequality on non-urban places, on rural places, and I know we disagree

a little bit about the efficacy of addressing that challenge because more cynical than I

am.

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