The people that just don't boil, the people that pronate zero, the people that are making videos about ice agents, they're all identical.

People are so drawn to these things and there's no rationing with them, there's no debate in the facts. People now are looking for meaning in their lives in a way that they probably didn't have the luxury of having before when they just had to survive. If your life is not particularly meaningful in terms of how you live it and connections you have,

or whatever it is that gives people meaning, it and connections you have, or whatever it is

that gives people meaning. If you don't have those things, it is very meaningful to feel like

you are saving the planet. Constantine Kissen is a British political commentator, author,

and co-host of the Trigonometry Podcast. James and Constantine discussed the rise of global conflicts,

the downfall of British energy, and... Constantine, what is the problem with net zero? If someone says to you, the planet's about to burn, you kind of go, well, is it? You said that 20 years ago. You said, by now we'd all be dead and we're not. We have that sort of skepticism about it and a bit of critical thinking. The prices of gas went up and then went back down, but the cost of energy didn't go down. And we are now in a position where we import gas from Norway, which

gets it from the North Sea, while shutting down our own gas production in the North Sea. Does

that make any sense to anybody?

And is this something for the Labour Party to say, let's put extra focus on these. When

we come out, we say, hold on, we've reduced our carbon emissions. This is not a debate. It's... If I hadn't had a can of Newtonic, I might have had to have spent a whole minute of your bloody day telling you how great it is. But because I've had this, I've dialed in, I'm going to get this done in 10 seconds. Head to Newtonic.com. Drink this. Be less stupid. Bush. Constantine, what is the problem with net zero? The problem with net zero is it's making us poor and it's making us weak and it's making us unable to produce. In this country, for example, we can pretty much, we're almost there. You can't make your own

virgin steel anymore, steel that you'd need to build ships and aircraft carriers and whatever else,

military equipment. But people don't know this. You are poorer. If you live in Britain,

you are poorer today than you were 20 years ago on a per capita basis, per person basis,

which is what matters. And that's because we have the highest industrial electricity prices in the developed

world and the fourth highest energy prices for consumers in the developed world. So given that

energy is used to produce literally everything, if you have the highest energy prices in the developer,

it means you can't make anything yourself.

And the idea was, well, we're saving the planet, right?

We're reducing our CO2 emissions in order to deal with climate change.

The problem with net zero is it doesn't even do that,

even if you thought that was a worthwhile goal. It doesn't even do that, even if you thought that was a

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