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The AI Daily Brief: Artificial Intelligence News and Analysis

The Problem of AI That Seems Alive

The AI Daily Brief: Artificial Intelligence News and Analysis

Nathaniel Whittemore

Technology

4.7767 Ratings

🗓️ 24 August 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Mustafa Suleyman, CEO of AI at Microsoft and co-founder of DeepMind, has published a provocative essay warning about the dangers of “seemingly conscious AI.” On today’s Big Think edition of The AI Daily Brief, we explore his argument that as AI systems develop memory, personality, and the illusion of subjective experience, people may begin treating them as conscious beings—with profound consequences for society, law, and human identity. We dig into Suleyman’s case for why this illusion matters more than the question of whether AI is actually conscious, the risks of model welfare debates, and why industry norms may need to change now.
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0:00.0

Today on the AI Daily Brief, the problem of AI that seems alive.

0:05.5

The AI Daily Brief is a daily podcast and video about the most important news and discussions in AI.

0:14.1

All right, friends, quick announcements before we dive in.

0:20.0

First of all, thank you to today's sponsors, KPMG, Blitzy, and Superintelligent.

0:24.4

And to get an ad-free version of the show, go to patreon.com slash AI Daily Brief.

0:28.6

Now, today is a weekend episode, and that means it's a long-read slash big think episode.

0:34.2

And we kind of have both of that all in one.

0:36.4

Earlier this week, Mustafa Selyman, who is currently the CEO of AI at Microsoft, but who previously was a co-founder of DeepMind and the co-founder of Inflection, has written an essay about the problems of what he calls seemingly conscious AI. Now, we're going to read a bunch of excerpts from this piece and do some discussion, but I think that there's also interesting, important context for this from a story that we

0:57.2

covered about a week ago as well.

0:59.1

You might remember the discussion we had around whether AI model welfare is a thing.

1:03.8

This came out of Anthropics announcement that the most advanced Claude models would

1:07.6

now be able to shut off conversations that they thought were abusive.

1:12.1

They write,

1:12.8

We recently gave Claude Opus 4 and 4-1 the ability to end conversations in our consumer

1:17.1

chat interfaces.

1:18.4

This ability is intended for use in rare extreme cases of persistently harmful or abusive

1:22.3

user interactions.

1:23.7

This feature was developed primarily as part of our exploratory work on potential AI welfare,

1:28.3

though it has broader relevance to model alignment and safeguards.

1:31.5

We remain highly uncertain about the potential moral status of KOD and other LLMs now or in the future.

1:36.3

However, we take the issue seriously and alongside our research program,

1:39.4

we're working to identify and implement low-cost interventions to mitigate risks to model welfare

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