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The prison chief linked to organised crime - the Sunday Story

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🗓️ 24 August 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Bobby Cunningham was 31 when he became Head of Security at Wandsworth Prison, Britain’s most notorious jail, where he was tasked with fighting corruption. The Sunday Times's Whitehall editor Gabriel Pogrund reveals his dealings with organised crime.


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Guest: Gabriel Pogrund

Host: Manveen Rana

Producers: Olivia Case, Edward Drummond, Shabnam Grewal.

Read more: Revealed: the prison chief linked to organised crime

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0:00.0

From the Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story on Sunday.

0:07.1

I'm Manvian Rana.

0:13.0

Over the last few years, Wandsworth Prison has been making headlines for all the wrong reasons.

0:21.3

Whether it was the escape of the terrorism suspect, Daniel Khalif, or footage of drones

0:26.6

illegally dropping packages to prisoners, or the shockingly unsafe, overcrowded conditions at the UK's

0:35.6

biggest prison.

0:38.0

Wandsworth Prison, according to today's report, has had its worst year in memory.

0:42.6

It's dangerously overcrowded with crumbling cells, violence, vermin, drugs,

0:47.8

CCTV, security failings and a shortage of experienced staff.

0:52.4

Shocking conditions, dangerous levels of violence, widespread drug use and failures in leadership

0:58.2

at every level.

0:59.3

The problem I think with Wandsworth is it's just a place for ruining human lives and potential.

1:10.2

We know that something has gone very wrong at HMP Wandsworth,

1:15.6

but until now, remarkably little has been known about the people running it.

1:21.6

Until that is, an explosive Sunday Times investigation lifted the lid on the colourful life of the man

1:29.7

who, until recently, was one of the most senior officers at Britain's most notorious prison.

1:41.4

The story today, the prison chief linked to organised crime.

1:50.6

My name is Gabriel Pogrand. I'm Whitehall editor at the Sunday Times. I do a bit of reporting on politics, and I also do a lot of investigative reporting, trying

2:06.6

to bring kind of old-school investigative techniques to both Westminster, but also the world

2:14.0

outside of it, areas which have a crossover with politics, royalty, intelligence

2:19.7

services, innocent and prison system, things which ought to be on the radar of politicians.

2:26.4

Gabriel, at the moment, we hear so much about a prison system in crisis. Tell us about one prison

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