I'm not surprised to be honest. You know he had been saying recently that he has a quote narrow path to the nomination

but then when you would ask you know his aides and allies what that was they wouldn't even try to answer it.

Hey, nerd casters, I'm your host, Scott Land.

On the show today, we're talking about two political figures heading in different directions.

One of them, Bernie Sanders.

He is sort of like this generation's Eugene Debs.

That is a fantastic nerdcast reference right there.

I love it.

Pulling the plug on his presidential dreams on Wednesday.

Thank you all very much.

And one figure, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer,

who may be at the start of a big national. Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Good evening.

Who may be at the start of a big national rise.

I'm honored to be here and grateful that you're tuning in.

As political correspondent Tim Alberta writes this week.

Gretchen Whitmer is, I think, the most universally liked person that I've ever profiled.

We're going to start off talking about Sanders.

Now that Holly is about to get the break from covering this grueling campaign

that she richly deserves, we took a little bit of her time first to talk about the way this all

went down on Wednesday and how Sanders campaign ended.

It was a fascinating campaign to cover.

I mean, there was really nothing like it.

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