Welcome back to the Pride Hest Spoken. My name is Grace, but of course I'm not alone. I'm here with my lovely co-host, first Matt Scott. Matt, how you doing?

Happy to be here. Happy Pride while we're still allowed to say it with being accurate. How are you doing Grace?

I'm doing great. Sad that Pride Month is over. As a recording this, this is the last day of Pride.

Yes, yeah, but you know what? Happy that we're joined by the one of the only doctor, Abija Kota.

Dang, I wish I could help still. Happy holidays.

Hey, friends. Yeah, happy Pride. I mean, Pride is a state of mind. I don't think just because the month ends.

Now, I feel like honestly, it's like this month is like it's like Pride for like that everybody gets to see.

And I think the rest of the year, it's kind of like we're doing Pride.

Secret Pride. Secret Pride. Secret Pride. But anyone is invited if they know the secret.

I can't tell you the secret. Yeah, it's really in the morning.

Like there's special code. May or may not involve henkies who knows. But we keep rolling exactly.

It's been very fun. We've had great conversations all month long as people are probably seeing in your podcast title.

They were talking to Todd Herzog. When we were like, what about Todd? I was like, maybe we should ask Todd.

Sure. And then Abby reached out. Todd said, yes. And I freaked out.

That is so nice. I feel like Todd is a yes person, you know, in the in the Swedish most generous way, especially considering, you know, you know, is a winner from and from some time ago.

So yeah, I'm so so glad that he said yes. And that you are going to talk to him.

Yeah. And I was going to say like survivor China is pop, like basically my favorite season or one of my few favorite seasons.

And just to like watch that and see Todd and talking about LGBTQ plus representation, like the fact that Todd was just able to win and and and also just shine as a character on our TV screens.

Not even like in a stereotypical or limited way, but like in a really positive way, I think, you know, paved the way. Todd definitely paved the way in so many ways.

Yeah. And I think it's very fun. The synergy of like we're not talking to folks from survivor 44, but jam jam. The first LGBTQ winner since Todd.

So there's a fun synergy there as well. Sure. We'll chat with Todd about how that that that there's such a big gap. I remember saying that to somebody.

I was like, yeah, we're interviewing Todd is the first LGBT winner and they're like really that long.

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