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A Matter of Degrees

The 'Prestige Problem' Making Fossil Fuels Powerful

A Matter of Degrees

Dr. Leah Stokes, Dr. Katharine Wilkinson

Government, Society & Culture

4.8533 Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2021

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Fossil fuel companies are tapping into America's "best and brightest" at top banks, public relations and advertising firms, law firms, and strategy consulting firms.

These organizations supply critical services to keep the fossil fuel industry humming: creative work, strategy, legal representation, financing. They're services that oil and gas companies need to remain powerful.

In this episode (our first of the second season!) Dr. Katharine Wilkinson and Dr. Leah Stokes explore the different ways this "prestige problem" influences America's white-collar workforce. And they'll explore efforts to push back.

Katharine speaks with Camila Bustos, the co-founder of Law Students for Climate Accountability. She also speaks with Jamie Henn, director of Fossil Free Media.

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0:00.0

Camila Bustos began her first semester as a law student at Yale University, knowing her

0:06.5

passions, but not knowing what to expect about the experience. She had just moved to New Haven,

0:12.7

Connecticut from her home country of Columbia, where she'd been working as a researcher for

0:16.8

de Eustacia, a human rights organization. She wasn't as plugged in to the culture of elite law schools as some of her classmates.

0:24.5

But Camila observed something early on that set the tone for the rest of her time at Yale.

0:29.7

My first week, maybe not my first week, but the first few weeks of the semester,

0:33.8

I hear that there is a guest speaker that's been invited. She, I think, was the CEO or like, she had a high profile at Conoco Phillips.

0:44.3

The speaker's name was Janet Langford Carrig, a senior vice president and general counsel for Conoco Phillips, a multinational oil and gas corporation.

0:53.3

Yale Law Women and the Yale Law and Business Society sponsored the event.

0:57.4

They'd invited her to campus to talk about her job.

1:00.1

And of course, illustrious career, all sorts of accomplishments.

1:04.1

Camilla was happy to learn that Yale's Environmental Law Association was planning an event of their own,

1:09.2

one that would challenge the narrative of the Conoco

1:11.3

Phillips rep and highlight how companies like hers are fueling the climate crisis.

1:16.4

Why, as law students, we had a special role, you know, to hold this person accountable by

1:20.8

asking them challenging questions. They weren't asking to boycott the event or anything.

1:24.9

And I remember being really excited because there was going to be some presence outside.

1:30.0

And I thought about, you know, my undergraduate experience and the rallies that I had been at.

1:35.6

Camila was picturing chanting, singing, megaphones, colorful cardboard signs with climate

1:40.5

justice slogans.

1:41.9

Like, we were just, I don't know, I was getting excited.

1:44.2

But she quickly learned that the way law students protest was nothing like the demonstrations

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