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I'm Sean Fennese and this is the big picture a conversation show about dirt bags.

What's up Chris Ryan? What's up man? I'm a little bit nervous because I feel like you and I are

about to enter the phase of our relationship where I'm warm and you're Mike McDee and you have me

on to corrupt you and talk about card counter and the more the gross parts aspects of your cultural

life and everything with everybody else is just Pixar movies and sunshine and lollipops.

Yeah, I think that's right. You have always been the ferryman to hell for me. You've always been

someone that I have sought out to take me on a journey into pain and power and pleasure and the

films of Paul Schrader, which is one of the things we'll be talking about on today's episode.

The card counter is in theaters. Every Paul Schrader movie is a personal event for me and sometimes

for Chris as well. So we'll talk about that movie a little bit and that movie got me thinking about

a certain kind of movie Chris that you and I really, really like and I don't know if I've ever

been able to wrap my arms around this concept before but it dawned on me after watching the

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