She wrote a thing that stuck with me which was that no one enters violence for the first time by committing it

No one enters violence for the first time by committing it and it just like I was like Jesus Christ, right? If that's true, then all this

shit that we talk about these binaries about victims and perpetrators that

that explodes it all. I'm Autumn Brown a queer science fiction writer a a theologian, a mother of dragons, and a healing justice

facilitator for social movements living in rural Minnesota.

And I'm Adrian Marie Brown, co-editor of Octavius Brood, author of Emergent Strategy, and author of the forthcoming Pleasure Activism, and a facilitator of Black Liberation

work and an Auntieinar living in Detroit and this is how to survive the end of the world

our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace rig rigor, and curiosity.

And we are so excited today to be sitting here with a dog barking at full strength.

Oh my God.

Right outside the house. And I just want to say this you all know brand by now. We've spoken and you've heard

brand before on the show he likes to be a guest when we happen to be doing the show in Minnesota. This morning is the

official opening of hunting season, deer hunting season and so there's a bunch of

magical deer hunting activities happening around and he's very excited about it and in his excitement

He ran out of the house knocked over the compost got it all over himself and the entire porch had to be

rinsed off with a hose so he's super wet and a little stinky and so he can't come

inside but he knows where inside.

Yeah, so he's outside on the line

and he's going to be barking through the duration of the show.

Most likely, he might settle down at some point,

but we are not going to let that distract us from the incredibly

important conversation we are about to have yes so with our guess this is so

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