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From the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is channels with Peter Kafka.

That's me.

I'm also the chief correspondent at Business Insider. Today we're talking about two things. First, are we in an AI bubble? Secondarily, can you make money by arguing that we're in an AI bubble? To answer that question, I'm chatting with Ed Zittron, who is either

someone you've never heard of or someone you have very strong feelings about. Zitron has a day job

in PR. He owns his own agency, but for the last several years, he's been making a name for himself

as a tech hype deflator, a voluble one. If you are confused about how those things fit together,

well, that's a lot of what we talk about in this conversation, especially in the second half.

But the first half of our conversation mirrors the conversation lots of people are having these days.

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