Hi, it's Tony Robbins here for another podcast everyone. I'm really excited about this session because the man I'm going to introduce you to is

gentlemen, I'm known for gosh, I think about 1516 years. In fact, my son has went to his church starting about 18 years ago called the Rock Church here in San Diego

which is where we are just attended the service. But the real reason I wanted to meet is because he's also the author of the third option

hope for a racially divided nation. This man is lived what we're going to talk about today and I don't think any of us need any coaching to understand where we are today as a society where we seem to be magnifying our differences instead of connecting on the areas that really matter together. And you know, there's so much pain out there.

There always has been, but I haven't seen many people talking about solutions. I'm hoping that maybe there's a voice of reason here with a beautiful heart could really touch your heart today.

And not that you are necessarily someone who's experiencing racism or have ever maybe said or done something that you didn't mean to that offended someone. But I think today we can maybe look at it with less judgment and really a deeper understanding of what's really behind it because the issue is huge.

If you're African American in this country, you're three times more likely to have your car search when you're pulled over. If you have a white audience that's supposedly not racist than anyway, just unconscious conditioning affects us all.

Well, we know what are not 13% of the time that if it's an African American, they're going to have a 13% longer sentence to give you an idea. So miles from Pearson brother.

So good. That's your answer. No, you're awesome. I absorbing your book and I have so many questions. You saw my scribble. I had pages and pages and so I was going to your service flying in here. I couldn't send the audio to make it done. So I've kind of had to dictate them all. But I like to start. You got a unique background.

People that don't know your history, you started out. We really wanted to be a great athlete and became one didn't make it with the Rams. You have the kind of determination to give up. So you made it here to the San Diego Chargers and for four years.

I like to start before we talk about racism. Tell me a little bit about your history into our audience about how you came to connect with the Lord, how you came to be running this amazing church, which by the way, how many people attend church each.

It's probably 20 to 30,000 over a month's period of time. That's incredible. And it's diverse. It's like United Nations here. Yeah, really is. If we go back to my family, I have two black grandfather's white grandmother and half Chinese. They're all past but have Chinese and black grandmother all from Jamaica, West Indies.

And my I grew up in a black neighborhood with school and a white neighborhood. And because I'm next and have this nice brown cocoa color, you know, I got harassed in the white neighborhood because I wasn't black. It wasn't white. I got harassed in the black neighborhood because I wasn't black enough.

And they call you waiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I was kind of in between both worlds. My white grandmother, when she was a kid, she was sent to Jamaica, Queens from Jamaica, West Indies. So she went married black Jamaican.

And she met her black Jamaican in Jamaica. And they end up dating and get married. And my grandfather would go to her house. They wouldn't let him in the front door. He had to go to the back. So when she married him, they cut her off. And even though they we lived a long Island, they lived right in Queens 15 minutes away.

We never knew they existed. Never met them. And it was it was never. What did you know?

When I was an adult, it was never spoken when I was a kid. Wow.

But being in a mixed family, we all got along. Grandma was the only white person in our family. Everybody else was brown, but she was just grandma. Of course, we knew she was white. But it's like, that's grandma. So I don't understand the problem.

And so, and in playing sports, you know, all sports teams were diverse. I mean, that's probably the one place people learn to get along because you have a common enemy and a common goal.

And so I had kids on my teams that were white and black. We all got along. But when I went to school, at first, eighth grade in the white school, I got harassed and I came back. And in both those neighborhoods where I grew up was black and where I went to school was white. They would talk about each other because they didn't know each other.

They would say those people, those people. I said, no, you don't understand. That's not how they are. And so I was always kind of in the middle dealing with both sides and trying to reconcile the differences.

And it was in the 60s. So there was also racial injustice in the 60s and 70s. But then growing up, I got saved and started. I played football at the University of New Haven.

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