Hi, welcome back to our podcast, The Ugly Truth About the Girl Next Door.

I'm Kate.

And I'm Lori.

And we're back after only one week instead of one year.

I know.

It's only been a week.

Progress.

Progress.

I know.

Yeah, absolutely.

So today we are continuing our series about the Epstein Files, specifically today

talking about sort of the power of journalism, the power of public

outcry, especially in the midst of when the systems that are meant to protect victims that

are in place, such as law enforcement, the court systems, etc., when those systems fail and or actually make things worse for victims.

And so we're going to talk a little bit about what that looks like. And then also kind of the power of

journalism, both in a positive light and also a negative light. And at the end, stick with us because

we're going to talk about what do we do with this, right? So, okay.

So what we can and should learn from Epstein and the whole Epstein situation is that it is only

representative of the whole of what goes on for victims every day across the country,

across the world, including how much of a burden is placed on the victims.

As we're watching the whole Epstein situation unfold, hopefully what people are noticing

is that there's so much pressure on victims to somehow do it right and persist in the face of

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