J, that was an intense story.

Yeah, it's crazy.

I almost cry during your conversations.

Yeah I mean but look she's overcome the obstacles and it's amazing to see how she did it and it's a valuable story and it was an intense story. She went from basically homeless on the

street then in foster care to being an incredibly successful person. She

describes what she went through and how she rose up.

What a powerful story.

Here she is, Suleima Ghani, and also check out her recently funded AI startup,

HAPO, HAPP I O.com.

Here's the story.

This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altager show. I can't believe it. I'm such a huge fan. I've been for years your fan and when I started fundraising for my startup a few years ago, I've never done it before, a total amateur, it's a long story, but I listened to your podcast.

Because, I'll tell you why because you have been so

honest about your ups and downs and you have such a humble approach to life and you share so authentically all your considerations and

thoughts and doubts and whatnot and it helped me tremendously being more

authentic in my journey as a CEO and I do credit you for a lot of the stuff that have happened to me afterwards.

Oh, well thank you very much.

And you're welcome.

Were you going through like a hard time just personally when you were fundraising?

Like was it, because you get a lot of rejection when you're fundraising, particularly at first?

Yeah, yeah, but I was born on redictions, right?

I mean, all my life, all doors have been slammed in my face, right? I mean,

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