Oh my God,

so excited about this because Amy Moran, she doesn't know it, but she's my therapist.

She is a professional therapist, but I had to fire my own personal therapist.

So Amy doesn't realize it.

But whenever she comes on my podcast or I go on her

podcast, it's like I'm going into a therapy session. Of course, you know her as

the author of 13 things mentally strong people don't do, sold millions of copies, she's been on my podcast like five or six times or more and I'm

really happy this episode is her interviewing me from her podcast and it's me having a therapy session. Here we go.

This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altager show. on today's episode of mentally stronger. I talked to all these people who they talk about

what they love doing but they sort of just give up on it like maybe they loved

fishing or

writing a novel or whatever, but they just felt like,

I got a mortgage, I got four kids, I got a,

responsibilities.

Friday nights, my favorite TV show, I've got to watch that.

And so they just sort of like give up and go into this routine and I feel I look

back on my life and I feel that the things that kept me feeling young and creative and excited about the next day

were not periods of success or of failure or exciting times of my life,

but periods when I was in love with something

and pursued it towards some end because I felt like there was a higher purpose to it even if there wasn't.

And I looked back all through my life and I realized I was always on quests like King Arthur and his Knights they want to famously on a

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