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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

The Post-Cancellation Pivot: Stephen Elliott's Financial Advice for Poets (and Moral Support for Pariahs)

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2021

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Writer Stephen Elliott was once a bonafide member of the independent literary scene. In 2009 he founded the literary site The Rumpus, which helped launch the careers of writers like Roxane Gay and Cheryl Strayed. His eight books include the memoir The Adderall Diaries and the novel Happy Baby, which draws from his experiences in the child welfare system as a teenager and his subsequent involvement in the BDSM community. Both of those books were adapted into films, one of which he directed. He also wrote and directed the film "After Cherry" and made a web series. In 2017, Stephen was among more than 70 men whose names appeared on the so-called "Shitty Media Men List," an anonymously sourced Google document that accused the men of various levels of sexual misconduct. Stephen was among those accused of rape. He eventually decided to sue the list's creator because, he says, he was in the "unique position of knowing not only that I didn't rape anyone, but that there was no one out in the world who believed I had raped them." In this conversation, Stephen explained what he means by that and what he hopes to accomplish with the lawsuit. But the interview is not really about the lawsuit or the list. It's about Meghan's favorite subject, the mid-career pivot, and how Stephen put his life back together after being about as cancelled as it's possible to be. They talked about how Stephen managed to become a real estate investor with very little startup money and about his "Self Help" newsletter, which he's dubbed "financial advice for poets." Stephen shared his belief that literary writers are especially likely to participate in social media mobs and also offered his biggest piece of advice for anyone: buy a house. This interview was originally recorded on video for the podcast's Unspeakeasy video series. A partial version can be seen on the Unspeakable YouTube channel. The full version is available to Patreon supporters of the podcast at Patrreon.com/theunspeakable.

Guest Bio:
Stephen Elliott is the author of The Adderall Diaries and the novel Happy Baby, which draws from his experiences in the child welfare system as a teenager and his subsequent involvement in the BDSM community. Both of those books were adapted into films, one of which he directed. He also wrote and directed the film "After Cherry" and made a web series.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I do think that people who have been canceled, if you talk to them about how they're making a living, like you're talking to people who have pivoted.

0:10.0

Every single one of them has had to pivot because they can no longer make a living the way they used to.

0:16.0

And I think it's a really interesting topic.

0:18.0

On the other hand, it's tricky because they don't want to tell you where

0:21.5

they're working because then the mob is going to come there. Welcome to the unspeakable

0:29.1

podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. My guest, whose voice you just heard, is writer Stephen

0:35.2

Elliott. I'm going to tell you more about him in a minute, but before that,

0:40.1

a couple of items of business. Because this is a writing themed episode, I'm going to make a

0:46.3

plug for something a little non-podcast related, and that is my own writing class, my first ever personal essay and memoir masterclass on Zoom wrapped up recently and was a ton of fun and a great success, I think.

1:03.1

So much so I'm going to offer another one.

1:05.5

It's starting in January and will run for eight consecutive Mondays, January 10th through February 28th, from

1:14.5

3 to 6 p.m. Eastern time. I made it a little earlier than the previous one to accommodate more

1:21.2

time zones. We had someone in Ireland in the last class who was up until 2 a.m. with us. So this one will be 3 to 6 p.m.

1:31.0

Eastern, 12 to 3 Pacific, etc. The application deadline is Monday, December 20th, and you can learn more

1:38.9

about everything at Daummasterclass.com. Space is limited to 12, but if this interests you, please do check it out.

1:48.4

Now, to my guest, Stephen Elliott, as with my conversation with comedian Jamie Kilstein a few

1:54.2

weeks ago, this interview originated as part of the video series, The Unspeak Easy, which lives on the unspeakable YouTube channel.

2:04.0

But I thought it was compelling enough to bring to the podcast itself.

2:09.1

Stephen, just so you know, has published eight books, including The Adderall Diaries and Happy Baby.

2:15.4

He's directed three films, including About Cherry and After Adderall. In 2009, he founded

2:22.9

the literary site, The Rumpus, which launched the careers of writers like Roxanne Gay and Cheryl Strait.

2:30.0

In 2017, the Rumpus was purchased by its former managing editor.

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