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🗓️ 2 October 2025
⏱️ 75 minutes
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A good friend of Nick's once said, "You become a libertarian when you just want to be left alone. You become something else when you finally understand they will never leave you alone."
Charlie Kirk's death has led to millions on the Right to begin looking for that "something else". So what does it look like?
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00:00:00 Intro
00:03:50 The State of the Political Battlefield
00:05:01 The Divide on the Right Over What to Do
00:08:23 The Conservative Hesitation to Wield Power
00:17:48 Neutrality, Morality, and Proceduralism
00:28:45 The Right’s Need to Wield Power
00:36:35 The Left Will Never Stopped Until They’re Forced to
00:40:18 The Crisis on the Right
00:43:51 Is There a Just Way to Wield Power?
00:47:35 Ordered Liberty
00:50:19 John Adams Was Right About Our Constitutional System
00:52:52 The The Distinction Between Illegitimate and Legitimate Power
01:03:58 Is Cancel Culture is Inevitable?
01:06:45 What Path Should The Right Take Going Forward?
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| 0:00.0 | So a good friend of ours had this quote. |
| 0:04.1 | And it was his quote, so I want to give him credit for it. |
| 0:06.8 | But he said, you know, when you first start getting into politics, you read Frederick |
| 0:12.1 | Bosteat and you read Milton Friedman and you read Murray Rothbard and Frederick Hayek and |
| 0:18.0 | you become a libertarian because you just want to be left alone. |
| 0:22.8 | And then one day you realize that they're never going to leave you alone and you become something else. |
| 0:30.5 | And I think a lot of people, a lot of us have felt like lately we've become something else. |
| 0:36.8 | And the question is, do we still believe in a lot of the ideas that we have, |
| 0:41.7 | these ideas of freedom, these ideas of limited government, |
| 0:44.3 | these ideas that can be considered classically liberal? |
| 0:48.7 | Or is something starting to change? |
| 0:51.4 | And so what we're going to talk about today is the use of government power. |
| 0:56.1 | And we're going to talk about three different perspectives, all of them on the right, |
| 1:01.5 | on the appropriate use of government power. What does that look like? All of that and more coming |
| 1:07.7 | up on this episode of Making the Argument. I'm your host, Nick Fratus, with me my beautiful bride tina queen of the bees hello everyone and then we have our political prognosticator |
| 1:16.0 | our resident historian the oracle of virginia and i don't know future caesar of the american empire |
| 1:22.2 | christian eyes i'm calling for one i don't plan to be one you used to call him the warlord in |
| 1:27.3 | training i'm not sure what happened with that. We did. We did say warlord and training. |
| 1:29.9 | We came up with some other nickname at some point too. Somebody on the internet did. But this is the second episode in a row where I am really excited to be doing this. I've been waiting a long time to do this. and I'm super glad that more people on the right kind of |
| 1:44.4 | have come around to realizing what time it is. |
| 1:46.5 | We all have started to get to this. Yeah. And I'm super glad that more people on the right kind of have come around |
| 1:45.4 | to realizing what time it is. We all have started to get to this point. We're going to see. I have a feeling that throughout this episode, I'm going to be the one telling the two of you to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, just back it up a little bit here. Back it up a little bit. But here's the framing. |
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