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True Crime Historian

The Poisoner Laughs

True Crime Historian

Richard O Jones

True Crime, Documentary, Arts, Society & Culture, Performing Arts

4.4729 Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

Tea With Aunt Carrie

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Episode 455 takes place down under when the friends and relatives of Caroline Grill of New South Wales begin falling dead from rat poisoning. I can’t quite figure out if Auntie Carrie is stupid or crazy like a fox. You tell me.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Sydney, New South Wales, July 10, 1953.

0:11.0

Mrs. Caroline Grills, 63, Domestic Duties of Gladesville,

0:17.0

was charged at the Central Court with having murdered four people in the past seven years.

0:24.6

The magistrate remanded her until July 17th and refused bail.

0:30.6

The police prosecutor, Sergeant Maisie, said substantial evidence would be made out by the police against Mrs. Grills.

0:40.3

He said post-mortem examinations of the bodies of two of the persons mentioned in the charges

0:46.3

had shown large quantities of thallium poison.

0:50.3

Mr. Rowley, attorney for Mrs. Grills, said his client would maintain she was entirely innocent

0:57.2

to the charges, and she was anxious to clear herself of the police allegations. He said she was the

1:04.7

wife of a well-known and respected businessman. She owned her own home and was well known in the Gladesville district.

1:12.6

Mrs. Grills was charged with feloniously and maliciously murdering Christine Louise Adelaide Nicholson,

1:20.6

87, at Sydney on November 31st, 1947. Mrs. Angeline Thomas, 84, Widow at Leura, on January 17th, 1948.

1:36.2

John Lundberg, 67, at Sydney on October 17th, 1948.

1:43.4

And Marianne Nicholson, about 60, at Sydney, on February 15th, 1948, and Mary Ann Nicholson, about 60 at Sydney, on February 15, 1953.

1:51.0

She was charged further with administering thallium poison to John Downey, 50 at Sydney,

1:58.0

on her about April 22nd, 1953, with intent to murder.

2:03.6

Sergeant Maisie told the court that August 10th had been fixed by the coroner for the inquest

2:11.6

into the death of Christine Nicholson, and it was the first date available for the inquest because of the nature of the charges and the possible length of the hearing.

2:22.3

Speaking on the question of bail, Mr. Rowley said his instructions were that Mrs. Grills was on bail in connection with previous charges,

2:31.3

and as she was a person who could be found by the police,

2:35.8

he asked that bail be the same as on the previous charges.

2:40.1

Quote, I will ask the court to allow this woman her own bail.

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