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That's right. Yeah, I'm at work today about to see some real patients when we're finished,

which is disorienting but exciting and a whole different television, yeah.

That's wild. I'm going to pick your brain on this in a second. And Karen, of course,

is the founder and director of the Justice Action Center. She's talked to Adrian a bunch about ICE and all the immigration stuff that's going on. I'm actually going to kick it over to Adrian right now because really this is this is his Ballywick.

Karen, I wanted to just sort of set the stage because, of course, we see this incredible episode. We know it's touching on stuff that we care about and the work that you've done for so long

that I've known you and known of your work.

At the same time, you know, I wanted you to set the stage because ICE in hospitals is a real thing.

You know, patients being chained to beds.

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