The Pitching Injury Problem, Catching Targets, Altering Pitch Shapes & Slider/Sweeper Deep-Dive
Rates & Barrels: A show about Baseball
The Athletic
4.7 • 875 Ratings
🗓️ 8 March 2024
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
Eno, Trevor, and DVR discuss Eno's co-authored story with Ken Rosenthal about the ongoing concern regarding pitcher injuries as velocity and breaking ball usage continues to increase. Plus, they examine the Rays' use of a relatively simple approach to maximize the effectiveness of their pitchers, and how some pitchers like the Cubs' Justin Steele alter the shape of a smaller arsenal to keep hitters off-balance. Finally, they wrap up the show with the deep dive into the slider and sweeper and a few listener/viewer questions.
Rundown
0:58 The Neverending Quest to Reduce Pitcher Injuries
(Related reading -- Eno's story with Ken Rosenthal ($) https://theathletic.com/5325032/)
17:24 Catcher Targets & How the Rays Simplify Their Pitching Plans
(Related reading -- Chad Jennings' story on the Rays' pitching development ($) https://theathletic.com/5318763/)
28:22 Altering Pitch Shapes to Increase a Small Arsenal
(Related reading -- Sahadev Sharma on Justin Steele's ability to change the shape of his 'two' main pitches ($) https://theathletic.com/5311112)
41:43 Deep Dive: Sliders & Sweepers
53:32 Viewer + Listener Q&A
58:01 Joey Votto Signs with the Blue Jays
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to rates and barrels. It's a live one. It's Friday, March 8th. Derek and Riper, Enosera, Trevor May, all here with you on this episode. We are going to dig into a bunch of recent stories that were written on the athletic, including one that breaks down some of the secret sauce in the Reyes organization with catching targets. We've got pitches that have multiple shapes as a way of expanding an arsenal, |
| 0:38.6 | something that Sahad of Sharma wrote about, focusing on Justin Steele, but we're going to expand |
| 0:42.6 | on that a bit. |
| 0:43.4 | We've got our deep dive focusing on sliders and sweepers, and Eno had a collaboration piece |
| 0:50.3 | that just went out today with Ken Rosenthal looking at the possible links between sweepers and arm injuries, which is a great place to start. |
| 1:00.3 | So, you know, you had this collaboration piece that just went up, and the million dollar, maybe billion dollar question, people have been racking their brains about doing research on for years, is how do you keep pitchers healthy? Like, that is the main question. People have been racking their brains about doing research on for years is how do you |
| 1:11.9 | keep pitchers healthy? Like that is the main question. And I feel like a lot of people try to work |
| 1:16.6 | backwards. They try to find a thing that's causing guys to get hurt and reduce that or eliminate that. |
| 1:21.6 | But what do you think is really going on with the sweeper and some of the things you were looking at |
| 1:27.0 | in the story |
| 1:27.6 | it's really difficult to talk about pitcher injury there are like camps that are like we have |
| 1:33.3 | the perfect mechanics and like if you pitched like we pitched you would never get hurt um they're |
| 1:39.1 | definitely uh those acolytes that are out there um they don't usually throw 102. And so that to me is the actual |
| 1:48.3 | source of injury. It's V-Lo. If you look at it, Drive-Line has a piece about if you just put the |
| 1:54.6 | modus sleeve on the elbow and you test which ones, you know, stress your elbow the most, |
| 2:00.1 | it's fastballs. It's the V-Lo. If you look at different studies, you know, stress your elbow the most. It's fastballs. It's the Velo. If you look at |
| 2:03.4 | different studies, you know, Jeff Zimmerman's injury ratings on my pitching ranks, |
| 2:08.1 | those are one of the biggest things in there is fastball Velo, you know, also previous injury, |
| 2:13.5 | but fastball Velo. It's because there's been research from glen flisick at as m i about how |
| 2:19.6 | vlo itself is a big stressor sitting closer to your maximum vlo is a big stressor so you know |
| 2:25.1 | there is a little bit of a thing where we're breaking ball vilo is maybe slightly more stressful |
| 2:31.3 | per sort of mile per hour um but's only Jake deGrom and like |
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