There will be another pandemic. There's no way we're going to go another hundred years

without a pandemic. The big risk right now, of course, and the next few years is going

to be the China and Bates Taiwan. We've already had Russia invade Ukraine. And then underneath

all of that is the mother, great big daddy of them all, which is climate change. And

global climate change is going to cause dislocations which make COVID look like a head cold.

And so all of that is going to really profoundly increase volatility and unpredictability. And

we just have to expect that.

Hello and welcome to Wise. It's happening with me, your host Chris Hayes.

A few weeks ago, I got a email from a journalist and writer that I've known for a long time.

He just said the subject line was, this is totally my book, exclamation point. And then

it had a screenshot image of some text and the text said the following. Chris Hayes

hosts an interview podcast, parentheses. It's mostly good. I promise parentheses. And his

stick is COVID in our reaction to it is underutilized as an explanation in almost all facets of

life. Now, I thought this is a very funny comment for a bunch of reasons. It's mostly good

to come. I promise exclamation point and parentheses is one of my favorite reviews of our

podcast. Also describing me as having a stick about COVID, which I don't think I quite

realized until I read this person saying that my stick is that COVID in our reaction to

it is underutilized as an explanation in almost all facets of life. But that's actually

pretty accurate. I think if you listen to this podcast, it's something that I keep coming

back to. There's so much disruption that we've experienced over the last two to three

years. And so much of it kind of memory hold partly, I think, so soon underneath kind

of a collective trauma, a desire to kind of like look at the horizon and not backwards,

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