Welcome to Rates and barrels. It's Thursday, August 14th.

Derek Van Riper, Unisarous, Trevor May, here with you on this episode. We've got some baseball news you should know.

Third day in a row where you have some Josh Hater news.

Yeah, it's not good because how would it possibly be good? It started off at something bad. We'll get you that information here in just a few minutes. We do have Dylan Cruz coming off the IL. A couple of big topics today. We're going to check in on the Phillies. I saw recently in our friend Joe Sheehan's newsletter. The Phillies were his top ranked team, looking

at everybody and where they stand right now. So we'll dissect that, figure out what makes

this Phillies team so good, what's working, maybe what's not, how they could be vulnerable.

We're going to nerd out on a few starting pitchers that are intriguing for the final six,

seven weeks of the season, guys getting opportunities to start, some of them in new places.

And we're going to talk about a couple other little things along the way here.

I've got some debuts come up, actually.

We've got Owen Casey who's up today for the Cubs.

Nolan McLean is coming up this weekend.

So a jam-packed show here on this Thursday.

Let's start with that Josh Hater news.

Josh Hater is getting a second opinion on his shoulder.

Trevor, of the times you know, someone got a second opinion on an injury.

What percentage of those times did the news turn out to be good after the second opinion?

I would say less than 5% there was good news the second time.

Usually it's confirming what was already found

uh i don't like shoulder i don't like the conversation about shoulder but at the same time you got

to look at like haters career up to this point in his relative really good track record of being

healthy like that just doesn't that doesn't last forever it never has um so there's

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