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Welcome to the Gospel Coalition Podcast, equipping the next generation of believers,

pastors and church leaders to shape life and ministry around the gospel.

On today's episode, you'll hear a message from Michael Keller,

originally given at TGC's 2023 Netherlands Conference. Thank you for having me up here again.

True story, a few years ago,

is actually when I was working with college students.

I had been ministering to a non-Christian, he was a

big-time architect, we were getting coffee and he said hey before we hang

out just real quick I want you to know something.

I'm designing Taylor Swift's new townhouse and she's very specific about where she wants things

and I have to redesign it and it's been great but you know

she's been on tour so I've been hanging out with her mom and I've gotten close

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