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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

The People Joining ICE

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate

News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

ICE needs more agents to meet Trump’s promised deportation numbers. But is loosening standards and shortening training time to get more agents on the street a good idea, when ICE’s work is becoming more controversial, confrontational, and dangerous?  Guest: Robert Klemko, Washington Post reporter covering policing and criminal justice reform. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The weather. Tomorrow, expect a biting cold front.

0:04.7

Hmm, how naughty. I wonder what I'll be wearing or taking off.

0:09.2

The night will be wild than untamed. Expect heavy, lashing rain that'll soak you to the skin.

0:15.1

By Monday, temperatures will rise slowly but surely reaching their peak in the afternoon.

0:21.3

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0:23.5

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0:26.4

Sun Express, nonstop sunshine.

0:30.5

In late August 1992,

0:33.6

Randy Weaver and his family were refusing to come down

0:36.4

from the remote Idaho mountaintop where they lived.

0:39.8

Weaver, a fugitive on a federal firearms charge, has been holed up in a cabin near Naples for more than a year.

0:45.4

The government thought Randy Weaver was a dangerous, possibly violent extremist.

0:50.6

Randy and his wife Vicky thought the government was an agent of Satan on earth. When it was all over,

0:57.0

three people were dead, and the government had spent millions of dollars to catch one man.

1:02.6

We'll find out why the siege at Ruby Ridge unfolded the way it did, and think about some of the

1:07.7

questions it raises. What should we do about white supremacists?

1:12.6

Why has the story of Ruby Ridge become an enduring myth for the far right?

1:17.3

And whose fault was it anyway?

1:21.0

Subscribe to Standoff What Happened at Ruby Ridge in Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.

1:41.6

What does it mean to be an immigration and customs enforcement officer right now.

1:48.7

I've been thinking a lot about this question, mostly because there seems to be so much evidence that working for ICE is an increasingly violent gig.

1:53.8

Just look at how they're operating in a single city, Chicago.

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