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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

The “Peace President” Goes to War

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, Daily News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 2 March 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Over the weekend, in the middle of the night, the Trump administration brought the United States into yet another Middle East war. 


Guest: Shane Harris, staff writer at The Atlantic covering national security and intelligence


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0:00.0

Heads up here at the top, there is some brief, strong language in this episode.

0:10.2

There are plenty of people who were not surprised when President Trump released a video early Saturday morning,

0:17.4

announcing that the United States and Israel had launched major combat operations in Iran.

0:25.2

But I have to admit, I was not one of them.

0:29.3

Saturday, I got woken up by a text that read simply, Jesus fucking Christ.

0:35.5

That might have been a lot of people's reaction, honestly.

0:38.4

Shane Harris from over the Atlantic,

0:40.1

he's one of those people who was not surprised,

0:43.3

which is why I wanted to get him on the line as soon as I could.

0:47.9

When I went to bed on Friday night,

0:50.7

a lot of us were anticipating that there might be military action, perhaps

0:55.6

the next evening.

0:56.4

So it happened a little bit earlier than we expected.

0:58.9

But I also had colleagues who were awake.

1:05.1

What were the signs you were seeing?

1:07.6

Well, you had this amazingly big military buildup, first of all, in the Gulf.

1:12.9

I mean, the United States had put more forces in the region than we've seen any time since the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003.

1:21.4

We knew that talks were happening between the Iranians and the United States in Geneva,

1:29.5

but they appeared to be going off the rails.

2:01.1

And there was this very interesting interview on a Friday afternoon with the Omani Foreign Minister and Margaret Brennan at CBS, in which it kind of felt like he was throwing a Hail Mary pass to me where he was saying, we're so close, we're so close on these negotiations, we just need more time. And then, you know, my colleagues and I were also just getting winks and nods from people that something felt like it was about to happen. You start, as a reporter, you're talking to people kind of in the system and you start to pick up that something may be about to go.

2:06.5

The scale of it was something that we did not, could not have maybe anticipated as easily.

2:08.3

The scale seems large.

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