The Patrick Madrid Show: December 28, 2022 - Hour 3
The Patrick Madrid Show
Relevant Radio
4.8 • 587 Ratings
🗓️ 28 December 2022
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
- Noah - Why do some people prepare for the fruits of the Holy Spirit before baptism if that very baptism is what gives them the Holy Spirit?
- Patrick recommends “Surprised by Truth”
- Joe - I am debating someone on YouTube about the early Church. It doesn't seem like it is going anywhere. What should I do?
- Carolyn - There was an openly gay movie that was previewed in the theaters the other day. This was when I was taking my granddaughters to a movie that was rated PG-13. You can't even go to a movie without this being pushed on you.
- Retailers may let you keep a returned item -- along with the refund
- Bonnie - I read that you wrote 26 books. Which would you recommend me to read to start off of yours? Patrick recommends “Why Be Catholic” and “Life Lessons: 50 Things I Learned in My First 50 Years”
- Does Patrick believe in ghosts?
- Patrick responds to an email related to the gossip topic from earlier in the show
- Kevin – I’m not offended by Patrick using the words “insane” or “crazy”, but why not just change the word you use?
- Norman - How can you tell the difference between the false teachers and the true teachers? I used to be Catholic and I see false teachers in both Protestant Churches and Catholic Churches.
- Why don’t priests in today’s world have the power to heal?
- Kimberly - What is your opinion on the new earth theory?
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, |
| 0:12.6 | encouragement for your day. |
| 0:14.7 | It's the Patrick Madrid Show on Relevant Radio. |
| 0:19.5 | Welcome back. |
| 0:20.6 | Hour 2 is here. The number is 888-914-9149. Let's go to the phones. Noah in Wheaton, Illinois. Thank you for waiting, and welcome. |
| 0:32.8 | Hi, thank you so much for my call. You're welcome. Hit me. me hi so yeah so my question is about baptism i had |
| 0:41.5 | heard uh an episode of trench horn actually recently talking about this uh refuting a baptist theologian |
| 0:48.7 | on baptism so the the baptist's claim essentially was well cath Catholics say the Holy Spirit comes to you at baptism, |
| 0:56.5 | but in all my work that I've done in 20 years as a Baptist, I've seen people who are preparing for their baptism, |
| 1:05.3 | you know, showing the fruits of the Holy Spirit. |
| 1:07.7 | Like they desire to be Christians and to love people. And so I don't think the Holy Spirit comes to you, baptism. I think it comes to you before. And I'm just wondering how you can reconcile those two things. Okay. I mean, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like it's not unreasonable to think that at least the Holy Spirit would come to you or maybe work in your heart before baptism, |
| 1:29.6 | but I'm just trying to see how you would reconcile that with Catholic teaching. |
| 1:33.4 | Sure, yeah, it's a fair question, and I would say that they're not mutually exclusive. |
| 1:38.3 | So the first thing is there can be a natural form of virtue, and I suspect that's what you're observing in people, |
| 1:46.1 | as St. Paul says in Galatians 5, that the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, |
| 1:52.6 | kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, et cetera. |
| 1:56.9 | And there are atheists who exhibit these natural virtues. |
| 2:00.6 | So my first point would be to say that's not the same thing as the fruits of the Holy Spirit that are from the Holy Spirit. |
| 2:09.1 | So people by nature can have those natural virtues, but it doesn't mean that they're imbued with sanctifying grace. |
| 2:16.0 | It doesn't mean that they're imbued with sanctifying grace. It doesn't mean that they're imbued with |
| 2:17.5 | the supernatural virtues. And that's the distinction. So they're not mutually exclusive, |
| 2:26.1 | therefore they're not in contradiction with one another. That'd be the first thing. And then the |
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