The Patrick Madrid Show: April 08, 2026 - Hour 2
The Patrick Madrid Show
Relevant Radio
4.8 • 587 Ratings
🗓️ 8 April 2026
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Patrick explores moral obstacles in IVF, embryo adoption, and surrogacy as callers voice conflicts between personal intentions and Catholic doctrine; callers weigh the ethics of rescuing frozen embryos, question gestational distinctions, and challenge the boundaries of technology and tradition. He draws from Church teaching, documents like Dignitas Personae and Donum Vitae, and sharp analogies, sometimes drifting into uncertainty about potential future rulings.
- Patrick continues his conversation with Robert from the end of the last hour about IVF and adopting embryos (00:39)
- Joe - I don't think Jesus would let frozen embryos lead a life of doom and let them expire. (13:09)
- Deanna – How come Abraham and Sarah were not punished for surrogacy? (19:27)
- Andrew - I don't usually disagree with you, but I don't see how saving embryos is surrogacy. (25:23)
- Leslie - I wish instead of Catholics using IVF that we address infertility issues. (38:02)
- Leo - Kidnapping the kids is more analogous to taking someone else’s children from someone else’s conception. Also, I am concerned that when they select the embryo to be born, they damage it in the process. (40:25)
- Nick - This conversation reminds me of how incest was permitted in Genesis. (43:33)
- Pam - What is the difference between a mother using an incubator and a surrogate mother? (46:35)
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, |
| 0:12.0 | encouragement for your day. |
| 0:14.2 | It's the Patrick Madrid Show on Relevant Radio. |
| 0:17.6 | Hey, there's a line open, so now is your opportunity to ask Patrick a question by calling 888-9149. |
| 0:29.6 | Well, I thank you, ma'am. Let's go back to you, Robert and Dayton. So you mentioned before we had to take our break, Robert. Thanks for holding. |
| 0:36.6 | That I believe you said your |
| 0:38.5 | son and his wife um who already have a number of children they went down the road of in vitro |
| 0:44.0 | fertilization and they have a an embryo is it just one or is there more than one that's currently |
| 0:50.0 | frozen it's not their biological child. |
| 0:56.9 | Oh, boy, I missed that part. |
| 0:58.8 | Okay. |
| 0:59.9 | They chose to try to save the life of an embryo, and it's an embryo, and it was implanted |
| 1:06.8 | into his wife, and she gave birth to the child and then they did it again a second child which |
| 1:16.2 | she gave birth to them and they and they are raising the children but these are just to make sure |
| 1:22.7 | I understand these are not their children these are children from IVF from another couple. |
| 1:29.6 | That is true. Correct. |
| 1:36.0 | So, and then your son and daughter-in-law are raising these children who are not theirs, but she gestated them, and they're raising them as their own? |
| 1:39.7 | Absolutely, yes. |
| 1:41.7 | Yeah. |
| 1:42.7 | Now, it is, the reaction of the priest is right on target. |
| 1:47.1 | It's absolutely, the church's answer is absolutely no. |
| 1:53.8 | And for a few reasons. |
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