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The Past And Future Of Plastics Tech. April 30, 2021, Part 1

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🗓️ 30 April 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

The Future Of Plastics Plastics do a lot of good. They’re sturdy, they’re clean, and the COVID-19 pandemic has really highlighted their benefits, with personal protective equipment like disposable gloves and masks. But its durability is also its biggest problem. We’ve all seen photos of piles of plastic trash washed up on beaches, and animals surrounded by plastic bags and straws. Those materials will take decades, if not centuries, to break down. Even as it breaks apart, it can become millions of microplastic particles that cause their own problems. So how do we tackle one of the biggest environmental crises of our time? Scientists are working on both ends of the plastic life cycle to come up with solutions. Breaking down the plastic that’s already out there, and coming up with alternative materials that could be better for the planet. Guest host John Dankosky interviews two scientists doing great work on this topic: Dr. Francesca Kerton, professor of chemistry at Memorial University of Newfoundland in St. John’s, Canada, works on alternative polymers that could replace some plastics. Her latest research is focused on a polymer made from fishery waste. She’s joined by  Dr. Gregg Beckham, senior research fellow at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colorado, who works on enzymes that can break down plastics to its smaller building blocks for easier recycling. Ask An Expert: What The Heck Are Microplastics? Despite their small-sounding name, microplastics are a big deal. That’s because these tiny pieces of plastic debris can wind up just about anywhere. In fact, we know microplastics are in our oceans and our soil, and they can also get into what we eat and what we drink. Since this is a relatively new problem, we don’t have a lot of long-term research on their effects. But investigations studying microplastics have already influenced legislation, and prompted innovations for combating plastic pollution. Dr. Imogen Napper, a postdoctoral research fellow at the University of Plymouth in the United Kingdom, studied microbeads in facial scrubs. Her work led to a microbead ban in the United States and other countries. She says we need to rethink how we use plastic in our everyday lives for the health of the planet. “It’s a fantastic material that’s so durable,” Napper tells Science Friday. “But we don’t need to make so many single-use applications that could last a lifetime,” especially when these products are only used briefly. Napper and host John Dankosky talk about all the strange places microplastics have been found, and what role individual consumers play in combating an issue that can seem insurmountable. This conversation was held in front of a live Zoom audience.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm John Dankosky. Iraflato is on vacation. A little later this hour,

0:06.7

we're going to dive into the state of plastics. In some ways, plastic is a miracle material, but it's also

0:12.0

caused one of the biggest environmental crises of our time. We'll talk to some scientists who are

0:17.1

working on tackling the problems in our plastic world. But first, a look at the COVID-19

0:22.7

pandemic in India. This is the second wave of the pandemic for the country, and it's hitting hard.

0:28.6

India had a record low number of cases back in February, but the numbers increased starting

0:33.2

in mid-March, and yesterday the country reported nearly 380,000 new cases in just one day.

0:40.1

And the number of deaths reached nearly 4,000. Amy Nordrum is here to give us an update on that

0:45.1

story and other science headlines of the week. She's an editor at the MIT Technology Review. Welcome

0:51.2

back to the show, Amy. Thank you, John. Good to be here. So what is the current state of the

0:55.2

pandemic in India right now? Well, as you say, the situation is really bad there. The pandemic is worse

1:00.3

there now than it's ever been. They're in the middle of this terrible second wave of infections.

1:04.8

They've reported more than 300,000 new cases every single day this week. And the reality is

1:10.3

estimated to be far worse than even those

1:12.2

official accounts show. So why has the second wave hit the country so hard? What big issues are they

1:17.1

facing? Well, you might think India would be a little bit ahead of the game here because they are

1:20.9

one of the world's largest vaccine manufacturers. But there's more than a billion people who live there,

1:25.9

and only roughly 10% have even received one dose at this point.

1:29.6

So while they vaccinated a lot of people already, it's just going to take a lot longer to reach the entire population.

1:35.9

And in the meantime, the government has relaxed some public health measures that were in place early on in the pandemic.

1:40.9

So there's no nationwide lockdown in effect there like there was early on in the pandemic. And there's no federal social distancing requirements. So some states are implementing

1:48.5

those, but it's been kind of piecemeal. And in the meantime, there's been a lot of political rallies

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