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All right. Will Roberts is here.

I'm excited about Will Roberts.

I met him outside of Craigs in Los Angeles.

A lot of you guys who listen to my podcast, no, I only moved to L.A. a year ago.

I'm getting familiar with all the Hollywood haunts.

And Will, everybody that knows me knows.

I love celebrity.

I'm fascinated how someone becomes famous.

I'm fascinated how they have fans that will fall down and cry for them.

And I also just love, there's sometimes when you meet a star, and you know this, they're really a star.

There's something about, it's like Oprah Winfrey.

There's like, I don't know, like. Brightens up the room. The room clears when Lady O walks in. I mean, it is like she's got a power about her, you know? Yes, definitely, definitely. She's not the only one. And then, too, I'm trying to think of who else really had star power when I've seen them.

A lot of people are just really, the second day walk into the room, you know, everyone kind of stops and looks.

Oh, it's mesmerizing.

So Will Roberts is here.

And I met Will because Will is a legendary paparazzi member here in Los Angeles, has a huge Instagram following

paparazzi gamer. And then we got to talk about this, too. Are you one of the only black-owned

paparazzi companies, like in the country or in Los Angeles? I don't want to speak for the country,

but I would say in Los Angeles, I know of maybe one other African-American person who has a small media company.

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