Hey folks, Rob Wolf here. The weight is over.

Wired to Eat is now available anywhere books are sold.

You can check it out also at wired toeat.com. Hey folks Rob Wolf here another edition of the Palo Solution

podcast today's guest we've had her with us before, Gretchen Rubin. She is the

multiple time New York Times best-selling author of books such as Better Than Before, The Happiness

Project, Happier at Home, and the soon to be released The Four Tendencies. the with you I had a fantastic time talking with you in our first conversation absolutely loved your book better than before

significant chunk of that material and referencing ended up in my second book, Wired to Eat.

I think you just have an amazing take on this whole behavior change story, which I have to

admit being a biochemist by trade and just kind of a caveman by predilection.

I've not been that good at the stewarding of people through behavior change you know it's kind of do or do not, you know, and I've been pretty ineffective in that regard and I've just had wonderful feedback from folks with regards to the second book and it really I need to give you a hat tip to so much of

that because it really opened up my eyes to the need for more granularity and

and much more customization and I guess that kind of leads into one of my first

questions you really have a keen interest in helping people live better lives

why is that important to you like how did that get on your radar to even start?

Well it's interesting, ever since I turned to writing, I started out my career as a lawyer and ever since I turn to writing my my subject is human nature that's

sort of my big subject but I think once you start looking at human nature and I

know you've experienced this one of the most interesting questions becomes why and how do people

change because so often there are things about ourselves that we want to change so

how do we know ourselves how do we understand ourselves? How do we understand ourselves? And once we know and

understand ourselves, how can we use that information or that knowledge to

make our lives happier or healthier or more productive or more creative and there's so much information

there about what it would take to be happy healthy productive and creative and

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