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The Outside Interview: Susan Casey Might Have Gills

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Outside Podcast

Sports, Wilderness

4.42.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2018

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

To write her three bestselling books on the ocean, Susan Casey went deep with great white sharks in California, big-wave surfing icon Laird Hamilton in Hawaii, and wild dolphins around the world. Her willingness to literally immerse herself in the topic of the ocean—she’s a former competitive swimmer—has allowed her to craft captivating stories that chronicle our relationship with the sea. And yet she’s a relative newcomer to the life aquatic. In the mid-nineties, she was Outside’s creative director, helping guide the publication to an unprecedented three consecutive National Magazine Awards. She was later the editor in chief of O, the Oprah Magazine. It seems that every time she tries something new she becomes one of the best at it. Outside editor Chris Keyes sat down with her to ask: How does she do it? And why is she so concerned about the future of the sea?

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0:00.0

This episode of the Outside Podcast is brought to you by Arizona home of Navajo ultra marathon or Sean Martin in the Navajo culture we get up and we run every morning for three reasons we run run because... In the Navajo tradition, running is a celebration, a form of prayer and a teacher.

0:19.0

In the morning, runners wake up and run to the east to greet the rising sun.

0:24.4

So on this day I was tired after five hours of running and...

0:28.4

In the summer of 2011, Sean was on a long weekend run in Canyon Desche.

0:33.5

It's a place where people have been living off the land,

0:36.0

uninterrupted, for 5,000 years.

0:38.8

The canyon is just a big winding canyon.

0:41.9

I came around a corner and there were there was a pack of wild horses.

0:45.8

I startled the horses, the herd and they took off down canyon in the same direction

0:52.4

I was running.

0:59.2

And so after two miles of Chasing,

1:01.2

the herd, the colts, the babies were starting to fatigue and tire.

1:07.3

And so the whole herd slowed down around them.

1:11.9

I was able to make my way into the center of this steel running herd and we're all running

1:16.4

together now and I'm running you know shoulder to shoulder with these animals you know that

1:22.4

was one of those euphoric experiences where it just seemed

1:25.5

like time both slowed down and sped up all at the same time. We ran for about a mile, a mile and a half before they just suddenly stopped. You know, I stopped and looked back at him.

1:41.0

And so as I turned and walked away I just had this overwhelming feeling of just

1:49.0

the connection and so I felt like I needed to share this.

1:55.0

Since then, Sean has been using running to share Navajo culture with the rest of the world.

2:00.0

And the way that he decided to do that is the Canyon Deschee Ultra, a 33-mile run through a site so rich with artifacts

2:07.2

that usually you're not allowed to go there without a Navajo guide. The only way to see it on your

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