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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Ellie Cawthorne. The Age of Discovery, when European Christian Powers sailed west and encountered lands and people previously unknown to them, is probably a familiar story to many listeners.

However, Professor Mark David Bayer contends that this traditional narrative overlooks the role of the Ottomans.

He's written a book on the subject and History Extra content director David Musgrove caught up with him to find out more.

Today I am joined by Professor Mark David Baer, author of the Ottomans, Khan's, Caesars, Kalefs. Mark is professor of international

history at the London School of Economics and Political Science. Mark, thank you very much for

joining us. How are you today? Good. Thank you for having me on the program. How are you doing?

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