The Other Rockwell
Weird Little Guys
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🗓️ 28 October 2025
⏱️ 18 minutes
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Summary
George Lincoln Rockwell was a nazi. Norman Rockwell was a painter. They didn't have much in common at all, but people can't seem to stop mixing them up.
Sources:
https://library.washu.edu/news/norman-rockwell-and-race-complicating-rockwells-legacy/
https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal66-1301767
https://www.smh.com.au/national/spy-or-nazi-20120331-1w52i.html
Berger, Alan L. Review of American Fuehrer: George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party, and: Troubled Memory: Anne Levy, the Holocaust, and David Duke's Louisiana. Holocaust and Genocide Studies, vol. 17 no. 1, 2003, p. 180-185
Gallagher, V., & Zagacki, K. S. (2005). Visibility and Rhetoric: The Power of Visual Images in Norman Rockwell’s Depictions of Civil Rights. Quarterly Journal of Speech, 91(2), 175–200.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an IHeart podcast. |
| 0:06.1 | CoalZone Media. |
| 0:13.4 | Hey there, Molly here. |
| 0:16.3 | I wanted to take a second to talk about a different Rockwell. |
| 0:23.0 | We've been talking in circles for weeks now about George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party. But there |
| 0:29.6 | are some other famous Rockwells. His own father, George Lovejoy Rockwell, was a pretty famous |
| 0:36.0 | vaudeville performer. |
| 0:41.1 | But it isn't Doc Rockwell I want to talk about. |
| 0:45.5 | There is another Rockwell who, like the Nazi we've been talking about, |
| 0:49.0 | is most famously pictured with a pipe in his mouth. |
| 0:53.5 | Another Rockwell who lived in a city called Arlington in his 40s. Another Rockwell who came out swinging in the 1960s |
| 0:57.4 | with some strong public statements about the civil rights movement. |
| 1:02.2 | But George Lincoln Rockwell, the Nazi, |
| 1:05.0 | and Norman Rockwell, the illustrator, |
| 1:07.6 | don't really have much else in common. |
| 1:10.4 | So there's never really a good reason to talk about |
| 1:12.9 | both men in the same breath, unless it's by accident. As I was researching the story of |
| 1:22.9 | Frank Smith and his involvement in both the American Nazi Party and the New England Mafia, |
| 1:28.4 | I was reading through the file the FBI kept on Raymond Patriarcha, a mob boss in Rhode Island. |
| 1:34.9 | About 4,000 pages into that 8,000-page file, there is a memo addressed to J. Edgar Hoover. |
| 1:43.1 | It's from the special agent in charge of the Boston Field Office, and it's dated January of 1965. |
| 1:50.0 | The memo was to notify Hoover that a patriarch a crime family associate, who'd just been released from prison, was meeting with a man called George Norman Rockwell. |
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