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The Other Latif: Episode 4

Radiolab

WNYC Studios

Science, Natural Sciences, History, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.6 • 43.5K Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2020

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

The Other Latif

Radiolab’s Latif Nasser always believed his name was unique, singular, completely his own. Until one day when he makes a bizarre and shocking discovery. He shares his name with another man: Abdul Latif Nasser, detainee 244 at Guantanamo Bay. The U.S. government paints a terrifying picture of The Other Latif as Al-Qaeda’s top explosives expert, and one of the most important advisors to Osama bin Laden. Nasser’s lawyer claims that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time, and that he was never even in Al-Qaeda. This clash leads Radiolab’s Latif into a years-long investigation, picking apart evidence, attempting to separate fact from fiction, and trying to uncover what this man actually did or didn’t do. Along the way, Radiolab’s Latif reflects on American values and his own religious past, and wonders how his namesake, a fellow nerdy, suburban Muslim kid, may have gone down such a strikingly different path.

Episode 4: Afghanistan

Latif investigates the mystery around Abdul Latif’s classified time in Afghanistan. He traces the government’s story through scrappy training camps, bombed out Buddhas, and McDonald’s apple pies to the very center of the Battle of Tora Bora. Could Abdul Latif have helped the most sought-after and hated terrorist in modern history, Osama bin Laden, escape? The episode ends with a bombshell jailhouse interview with Abdul Latif, the most reliable evidence yet of what was going on in this man’s mind in the months after 9/11.

This episode was produced by Annie McEwen, Sarah Qari, Suzie Lechtenberg, and Latif Nasser. Fact checking by Diane Kelly and Margot Williams. Editing by Jad Abumrad and Soren Wheeler. With help from Neel Dhanesha, Kelly Prime, and Audrey Quinn. Original music by Jad Abumrad, Alex Overington, Annie McEwen, and Amino Belyamani.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Before we start a quick warning, this episode contains some graphic language and it may

0:05.5

not be suitable for all listeners.

0:25.6

I'm Luttif Nasr.

0:27.0

This is the other Luttif.

0:29.8

The first one is the one that I've been looking for Afghanistan.

0:37.8

When we last left him, Abdullah Dif Nasr walked in to get his paycheck from Osama

0:42.9

Bin Laden's headquarters in Sudan, only to find.

0:48.9

Nobody.

0:49.9

I would imagine there would be empty offices.

0:52.5

Kind of windows flapping open.

0:55.7

I mean, nothing there.

0:57.1

Everyone's gone.

0:58.1

Everyone's cleared out on one day.

1:00.9

He didn't even know that Osama and his inner circle had any plans to leave.

1:06.2

They just ghosted him.

1:11.1

That same spring, I was 10 years old.

1:14.1

My family lived in the suburbs of Toronto and at our local mosque, we would watch videos

1:18.6

and news reports about Muslims being persecuted around the world.

1:23.1

The summer before Bosnia and Serbs had massacred 7000 Muslims around Srebrenica.

1:29.4

Russians were attacking Chechen Muslims.

1:32.2

Palestine was constantly in the news and a few years later it would be Kosovo.

1:37.1

All these stories about all these Muslims being targeted, many being chased out of their

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