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The Astrology Podcast

The Origins of the Exaltations: A New Discovery

The Astrology Podcast

Chris Brennan

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Philosophy, Spirituality

4.71.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2020

⏱️ 151 minutes

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Summary

In episode 255 of the podcast astrologers Chris Brennan and Benjamin Dykes unveil a new discovery about the origins of the exaltations, derived from a lost Hermetic text preserved by Abu Ma'shar. Last summer Keiji Yamamoto and Charles Burnett released their long-awaited translation of The Great Introduction to Astrology by the 9th century astrologer Abu Ma'shar. This was the first time this text has been translated into English in its entirety. I received my copy on July 30, 2019, and the most interesting thing I found was that Abu Ma'shar frequently cites a lost Greek text attributed to Hermes Trismegistus. This appears to be the same text called the Panaretos that the 4th century astrologer Paulus Alexandrinus drew on for his treatment of seven planetary Lots, although Abu Ma'shar shares much more from the text than Paulus did. The most interesting pieces of the Hermes material preserved by Abu Ma'shar is that it contains a set of rationales for the domicile and exaltation schemes that are unique, and it seems to preserve what may be the original conceptual rationales for both of those schemes. The exaltations chapter in particular provides a much more detailed explanation for the exaltations than any I've ever seen, and it is also unique because it provides an astronomical rationale for the exaltations degrees, not just the signs of exaltation and fall. I first talked about this discovery in episode 26 of the Casual Astrology Podcast, which was released on September 18, 2019. I urged Ben to look into it to help confirm the discovery, and over the past several months he worked on his own translation of Abu Ma'shar from the Arabic, which he finished and shared with me on May 8, 2020. Ben was able to confirm that most of the math for the exaltation degrees seems to work out, and so with that confirmation we decided to record this episode to present this discovery and talk about it on May 13, 2020 around 5:15 PM MT. We begin the episode by providing some background information on the text, and then eventually transition into a summary of the arguments presented by the text for how to derive the exaltations of the planets and their degrees. Interestingly, the arguments for the domiciles and exaltations presented by this text are firmly rooted in the tropical zodiac, and this raises some major questions about previous assumptions that the exaltations had their origins in the sideral zodiac and the earlier Mesopotamian tradition. The discovery also raises questions about the extent to which Hellenistic astrology, and western astrology in general, partially represents a sudden invention or technical construct that was put together sometime around the 1st century BCE. This is kind of visually intensive episode, and our friend Paula Belluomini made a number of diagrams to help illustrate the concepts, so I would recommend watching the video version of the episode if you can. Ben plans to publish his translation of the Great Introduction by Abu Ma'shar sometime in the next few months, and you can signup for the email list on his website to receive a notification when that is released: BenDykes.com This episode is available in both audio and video versions below. Timestamps Here are some timestamps for topics covered at different points in the episode: 00:00:00 Intro 00:01:50 New Abu Ma'shar translation 00:07:23 Hermes 00:12:16 Ptolemy 00:15:24 Domiciles and Exaltations math 00:17:50 Planetary joys, thema mundi 00:21:05 Exaltation locations 00:24:45 Exaltation degrees 00:28:00 Origins of exalations 00:29:54 Exaltations, Sect, and Aspects 00:33:00 Hermetica mandela 00:39:26 Dendera zodiac and exaltations 00:42:50 Tropical Rationale 00:48:00 Chapter V.7: reason for exaltations 00:52:00 Increase/decrease in light paradigm 00:54:03 Sun in Aries exaltation 00:55:14 Moon in Taurus exaltation 00:57:37 Saturn in Libra exaltation 00:59:50 Mars in Capricorn exaltation 01:00:20 Jupiter in Cancer exaltation 01:01:35 Angular houses in thema mundi 01:03:00 The excellent places 01:03:51 Death in the 7th house 01:06:34 Venus in Pisces exaltation 01:10:45 Qualities of signs and planets 01:13:34 Mercury in Virgo exaltation 01:21:05 Diagram of brightness of planets 01:23:27 Rationale for degrees of exaltations 01:55:45 Exaltations of the nodes 02:02:27 Additional exaltation commentary 02:19:20 Is the rationale conclusive? 02:26:09 Concluding remarks 02:28:57 Benjamin's course Watch the Video Version of This Episode on the Exaltations You can watch the video version of this episode on the exaltations here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHRBCSfV300 - Transcript A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 255 transcript Listen to the Audio Version of This Episode You can either play the audio version of this episode of the podcast directly from the website or download it as an MP3 to your device by using the buttons below:

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0:00.0

Hi, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the astrology podcast.

0:04.0

In this episode I'm going to be talking with astrologer Benjamin Dykes,

0:07.0

and we're going to be going over a new discovery about the possible origins of the exultation signs and degrees in Western astrology.

0:16.0

Hey Ben, thanks for joining me today.

0:18.0

Thanks for having me on.

0:20.0

Yeah, so I'm excited about this. I've been sitting on this since last summer. I think this could be a big discovery. It's still very early, very preliminary, but it's enough that I think it's time to start talking about it.

0:35.0

I've been sitting on it since last summer, and you and I recently had a meeting about it where we went over some of it, and it seemed like some of the math checks out, so this could at least contribute to our understanding of where the signs of exultation and possibly the degrees of exultation come from in Western astrology.

0:53.0

Right.

0:54.0

And that's always been kind of a mysterious thing, right?

0:57.0

Like the domicile scheme is relatively straightforward,

1:01.0

but the exultations have always been a little bit weird I feel like as one of the

1:06.1

questions surrounding like what their basis is in the Western tradition.

1:10.0

Yeah, there's been different theories about, and we'll get into this, there's been different, we can see different patterns.

1:17.0

If we look at the relationship between the sign rulerships and exultations, there's some patterns, but as far as an actual explanation,

1:25.3

there hasn't been a lot that's convincing, even the ones that seem to show

1:29.8

that at one date the planets were in those positions in some side aerial zodiac.

1:35.6

Right.

1:36.6

Yeah, so a bunch of different theories have been put forward.

1:39.4

Ptolemy even has like a partial explanation that looks okay at first but then it kind of breaks down and you're not sure what he's drawing that from and it doesn't seem to check out.

1:48.0

So the genesis of this discussion today was last summer the long awaited translation of the great introduction by

1:58.4

Abumashar, a translation of that, thatth century Arabic text was finally published by Charles Burnett and Kigi Yamamoto.

2:08.0

And it seems like it came out sometime last summer. I received my copy on July 30th, 2019, and I think you received yours probably like a week

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