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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

The original Trump? How Charles Fox invented personality politics

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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News, Government, Politics, Society & Culture

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Personality politics isn’t just a modern problem – it started centuries earlier with an aristocrat called Charles James Fox. You can trace the roots of modern political celebrity back to this 18th-century provocateur, whose charm, scandals and theatrics helped redefine what leadership looked like. Fox built a movement around himself rather than his policies, offering an early blueprint for the dangerous style of politics reshaping democracies today. Alex von Tunzelmann speaks with Dr Callum Smith of Aberystwyth University about Fox’s rise and how history helps us understand the dominance of modern figures like Trump and Farage. 🎄Get 20% off a year’s support for The Bunker until Christmas – whether you’re a new backer, renewing or upgrading.  www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Written and presented by Alex von Tunzelmann. Producer: Liam Tait. Audio production: Robin Leeburn Music by Kenny Dickinson. Artwork by James Parrett. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. www.podmasters.co.uk  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:41.4

Welcome to The Bunker, News Without the Nonsense.

0:43.1

I'm Alex von Tundselman.

0:49.3

Today we're talking about a brash, magnetic, impossible to ignore politician, a man whose private excesses were scrutinised as closely as his public speeches, whose supporters

0:55.7

rallied around his personality more than his policies, and whose enemies found him dangerously

1:01.2

unpredictable. A politician who presented himself as a man of the people, despite a privileged

1:06.8

upbringing, and who built a movement so dependent on his charisma that it struggled to survive

1:12.2

without him. Now, you might think this describes Donald Trump or perhaps Nigel Farage,

1:17.6

but long before either figure dominated their respective stages, Britain had Charles James Fox,

1:24.5

an 18th century firebrand politician and political celebrity, whose life and style helped

1:29.8

invent the very idea of personality politics. Understanding Fox's rise, his faction, his downfall,

1:36.8

and his recovery offers a surprisingly modern lens through which to view our own political

1:41.4

moment. To explore the life of Charles James Fox and the legacy he leaves

1:45.9

behind, I'm joined by Dr. Callum Smith from the University of Aberystwyth to discuss what this

1:51.1

political force of nature can teach us about the rise and the risks of personality politics.

1:57.2

Callum, thanks so much for joining me in the bunker. Thanks, Alex. Great to be here.

2:01.5

So Charles James Fox, now I'm trying to recall studying him at university, so correct me on anything I have wrong.

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