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Revisionist History

The Origin of “You” – A Conversation with John McWhorter

Revisionist History

Pushkin Industries

Society & Culture, History

4.861.5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Malcolm sits down with the linguist John McWhorter, to discuss his new book, Pronoun Trouble: The Story of Us in Seven Little Words. Among other things in their wide-ranging conversation, John makes an impassioned case for the return of “thou.”


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0:00.0

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0:28.6

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0:32.2

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0:56.0

I was a fan of John McWhorter

1:04.1

long before I met him for the first time.

1:06.8

McWhorter is a linguist at Columbia University

1:08.7

and a music lover and a New York Times columnist,

1:12.2

basically a Renaissance man.

1:14.9

It was maybe 2019 when we first spoke.

1:17.7

At the time, I was working on something about Tom Bradley, who was mayor of Los Angeles from 1973 to 1993.

1:25.5

And while I listened to old tapes of Bradley,

1:29.6

I was struck by something I heard.

1:30.5

Listen.

1:32.5

There is nothing there to hide.

1:36.0

I want everybody to know that Tom Bradley's life has been an open book,

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