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You had the ridiculous spectacle of people like Chris Filk from the Tories,

having previously explicitly said that this is not about limiting free speech,

and now you've got Tory shadow cabinet ministers having to actually come out and say

that this bill is an outrage.

Trying to control the situation, they of course made it much worse.

So if they had just been honest and treated British public like adults, then I think it would

have been a very different response.

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