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Our next guest is an angel on earth whose poems make us grateful for her birth.

With her word she does wow, her book Joy Chose You is out now. Let's say hello to Donna Ashworth.

All right, Donna!

Hi Donna! Good morning, what an introduction. I've never had that.

Well, what a wonderful human being you are. What a wonderful spirit you are having a human time?

What's going on? How'd you get here?

I ask myself this every single day.

Right, come on, give us the headlines.

You know, I just woke up one day and decided that being human is quite hard,

and that the more we share and help one another and really useful little nuggets of,

I've done this, it helped me, I struggle with this. Maybe you do too. And I just went for it. I crossed the cringe, which is the thing that holds us back from doing anything new or different, across the cringe and just thought, I'm going to put my head above the parapet, spread a bit of joy and talk about some real things there's the Edinburgh fringe why

don't you do the Edinburgh cringe the Edinburgh cringe you've got to do it haven't you

why don't you take the cringe to the fringe oh I love it it's done it's writing itself

I watch you on Brianie's podcast whilst preparing for you to come on the show and she

talks about the fact, you know,

it's never too late to pivot. And you have pivoted later on in life. Just tell us the before and

after you. So I think I was about 45 when I started writing poetry very randomly out of the

blue. I just went with it. You know when something's coming for you and you feel like a change is coming and the little

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