Over the years, people who like my work bring up Brené Brand's name more than anyone

else.

And Brené told me that the people who like her work bring up my name more than anyone

else.

It turns out that we may be two sides of the same coin that our work together is something

bigger than by itself.

So what a treat for me to sit down and talk to Brené, and what might surprise people

is we actually don't agree on everything.

In fact, we even disagree on my own work.

But one thing is true, we respect each other and we learn from each other.

This is a bit of optimism.

First and foremost, how are you?

We're good.

Texas in general is really still suffering, deaths and just hard stuff.

I mean, it's insane to me.

The pandemic, Texas, you know, one of the whole things that this thing's revealed to

me is just, especially in the United States, we think we're like so far ahead and we got

everything sorted out.

Oh, yeah.

Everything is so Faustian to me like we made a deal to be rich and we're crap.

Now, it is a complete Faustian bargain.

I mean, there's a couple of bad things.

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