The One Thing You're Actually Hiring a Coach For
Chasing Excellence
Ben Bergeron & Patrick Cummings
4.8 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 16 April 2026
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
What happens when the coach you hired tells you to do the opposite of what you expected?
We dig into a listener's real dilemma — her coach told her to take six days off from training — and explore why the hardest part of being coached isn't the programming, it's the trust. Discover why a great coach's perspective is the single most valuable thing you're paying for, and why curiosity beats judgment every time.
We break down the two pillars every coaching relationship is built on — experimentation and trust — and why resisting your coach's advice might mean you're not ready to grow. Learn why six days off won't cost you your fitness, why your identity might be more wrapped up in training than you realize, and how one low-risk experiment could change everything.
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| 0:29.8 | Hey, before we get into it, quick heads up on something. |
| 0:32.7 | We're going to relaunch the Chase Club in April with some real honest to goodness structure. Daily |
| 0:38.5 | Lessons Monday through Thursday, aka the Daily Chase, 21-day challenges every single month, |
| 0:44.0 | and Friday, Chase Club chat clubs to keep all of the work alive. And in May, importantly, |
| 0:49.7 | the price is going to go up significantly right now. It's just eight bucks a month or $80 a year if you've |
| 0:55.1 | been thinking about joining us April is the best time lock in the lowest price it'll ever |
| 1:00.3 | be chasing excellence dot email the link is in the show notes okay let's get into it |
| 1:05.0 | hello and welcome back to the show thank you so so much for tuning in. How are you doing, Ben? |
| 1:14.0 | Really good. Thanks, Patrick. We're going to do something. We're doing something. It's not really different. |
| 1:18.9 | We're going to do it slightly differently. We have been over the last couple months answering one single |
| 1:24.5 | question from a member of our Chase Club. We've been keeping that just for Chase Club members, but truthfully, I think we're going to start sharing them everywhere. We're still going to take one or two questions a month from our Chase Club members, but then we're just going to share the answers anywhere and everywhere. So that's what we've got today. It's going to be our first kind of public one of these. Two things. If you want to get a question into an episode like this, join the Chase Club, |
| 1:48.4 | chasing excellence. email. The link is also in the show description. But also we're going to |
| 1:54.0 | start returning to your questions out there. Ben, you're going to start doing something we're going to |
| 1:59.4 | call a five by five, which just harkens back to old school chasing our slumsberg. We used to do a three by three |
| 2:05.2 | and we used to do a two minute drill. So I'm kind of doing a little bit of both in one. The five by five |
| 2:09.7 | is you're going to answer five listener questions, all of them inside a single one of the five |
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