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Young Heretics

The One That Got Away: Creusa, Aeneas' AI Girlfriend

Young Heretics

Spencer Klavan

Society & Culture, Education

4.94.5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Speaking just for myself, I'm still not over Creusa. Aeneas' first wife, the woman who bore the future forefather of Rome's emperors, must stay behind to die in Troy while her family forges on ahead. Today we'll talk about why that has to be, what it says about the tragic cost of destiny for each of us, and how book II of Virgil's epic concludes. Plus: the cast list for Christopher Nolan's Odyssey is out! My reaction to Zendaya as Athena, and a mailbag question about the legacy of Carthage.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

So there's a scene in Blade Runner 2049, the sequel, which if you haven't seen it, is actually a really good movie.

0:08.7

And there's this shot from the movie where Ryan Gosling, he's playing this character named Kay,

0:14.4

is looking up at an enormous pink and purple hologram of this beautiful woman.

0:19.6

And she's his AI girlfriend. I looked this up

0:22.6

because I couldn't remember the details of the movie. Her name is Joy. She's a fake AI girlfriend,

0:28.3

and the shot is just this iconic image of this little man in front of this enormous spectral

0:34.1

woman. And I can't get that shot out of my head because I promise it has to do

0:40.3

with the subject of today's episode, which is the last few passages of Aeneid book two.

0:51.3

Right, we're back in the Aeneid this week.

0:57.3

We've been working our way through book two, which is Aeneas' story of how Troy fell and how he escaped.

1:04.8

And now we're going to close the story out, or at least this portion of the story.

1:09.1

We come to the end of book two. We left on

1:11.9

kind of a cliffhanger last time. We saw Neoptolemus, the deranged nihilist, crazed son of Achilles,

1:20.9

who has none of Achilles' honor, but is just raw will to power, this kind of ugly, unmasked Greek savagery, comes and he kills

1:32.1

Priam, the king of Troy, and he does it in the most gruesome and impious way possible at the

1:39.2

altars in the courtyard in front of everybody. We've had first the death of Priam's son in front of Priam

1:46.0

and then the death of Priam himself. Neoptolema sends him down to the underworld and all of this

1:50.8

is watched, witnessed by Aeneas himself. And now we're going to pick up right at that point in the

1:58.9

story and it is a turning point for for Anius. It's the moment when

2:03.6

he realizes something new about his destiny that's going to stick with him for the whole

2:09.2

rest of the story. It's deeply painful, it's deeply important, formative, and it will define

2:16.6

the journey of Anius going forward. Because up until this

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